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Re: Chymist Family
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 18 September 13 19:29 BST (UK) »
Looking at Family Search there seem to have been two Chymist families in Cheshunt about the same time. This could be the same man with a second marriage.

Samuel Crush Chymist and wife Elizabeth Mary Mold

Samuel Chymist and wife Harriet Susannah Bolton

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I would guess that Solomon on the marriage certificates was just a name used for respectability and that Florence Newton Chymist's father was William Newton. Her certificate would show if there was a father named on it. Possibly Marion's father was James Crowdy. It still doesn't explain why they don't appear in the censuses or why Marion's birth isn't registered.
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Re: Chymist Family
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 18 September 13 20:22 BST (UK) »
Mary a servant in 1881, on closer inspection of the image may be listed as "sister" or visitor in the household of Charles and Mary Ann Arymar (with occupation servant).

Mary Ann's maiden name is Harrison, and Mary Chymist was a witness at their wedding

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Re: Chymist Family
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 18 September 13 20:30 BST (UK) »
2nd marriage for Samuel Crush Chymist

St James Clerkenwell, 26 Oct. 1842

Samuel Crush Chymist  wdr  of age  baker  27 Wilmington Sqr  Father: Samuel Chymist~farmer
Harriet Susannah Lawson  sp.   "                "          "          "        "    : Frederick Bolton~office clerk

Witnesses: George Brackenbury Berkeley and ??????? Berkeley

George B Berkeley married Jane Abigail Chymist (father Samuel) 26 Aug. 1839

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Re: Chymist Family
« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 18 September 13 20:36 BST (UK) »
There are some newspaper articles on British Newspaper archives re the treatment of the late wife of a Samuel Chymist, baker, of Cheshunt by a "quack doctor"

James Cowdy appears to have been a solicitor in London in the 1860s


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Re: Chymist Family
« Reply #13 on: Thursday 19 September 13 03:30 BST (UK) »
its very interesting, there is not many Chymist's out their.  . Solomon must not have been the father as he doesn't seem to exist. Thanks for all this info, I can try and research further now
Might see if I can look into further about this case  number: 1866 C285. might be able to give me more information
Thanks for this
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Re: Chymist Family
« Reply #14 on: Thursday 19 September 13 05:04 BST (UK) »
Interesting thread.

If you're not able to get to the National Archives, I've used http://www.arcre.com/ in the past, very reasonable prices and excellent service.
You should just need the reference number C 16/332/C285

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Re: Chymist Family
« Reply #15 on: Thursday 19 September 13 08:28 BST (UK) »
2nd marriage for Samuel Crush Chymist

St James Clerkenwell, 26 Oct. 1842

Samuel Crush Chymist  wdr  of age  baker  27 Wilmington Sqr  Father: Samuel Chymist~farmer
Harriet Susannah Lawson  sp.   "                "          "          "        "    : Frederick Bolton~office clerk

Witnesses: George Brackenbury Berkeley and ??????? Berkeley

George B Berkeley married Jane Abigail Chymist (father Samuel) 26 Aug. 1839

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And Jane Abigail had a brother James, who never married - see reply #6
Edmonds/Edmunds - mainly Sussex
DeBoo - London
Green - Suffolk
Parker - Sussex
Kemp - Essex
Farrington - Essex
Boniface - West Sussex

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Re: Chymist Family
« Reply #16 on: Thursday 19 September 13 13:49 BST (UK) »
Ive requested the document for the Chymist v Newton. not sure how long that will take but might give me some more info.
Will post on here when I receive it
Thanks for everyone's help

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Re: Chymist Family
« Reply #17 on: Thursday 19 September 13 14:51 BST (UK) »
Came across this in someones family tree attached to Samuel Crush Chymist

Hertford Mercury and Reformer
5th March 1842
CROWN COURT – Friday

Isaac Chamberlain was indicted for feloniously killing and slaying Elizabeth Chymist.  The case excited great interest and the Court was crowded.  Mr. DOWLING conducted the prosecution and Mr. Chadwick JONES, assisted by Mr. T. CHAMBERS, appeared for the defence.  The first witness called was samuel Chymist, the husband of the deceased – He deposed that he was a baker residing at Cheshunt.  His wife had borne a family of eight children.  She was 33 years old when she died.  Her general health, up to the time of her death, had always been very good.  About nine or ten months before her death, a great lump appeared on her right breast, Mr. Saunders of Cheshunt saw her and gave her a box of salve, and advised her to go and consult Dr. Kerrieson in London.  She did so, and he prescribed for her some powders which she took.  Two or three months before her death there appeared an oozing out from two little places in her breast about the size of pins points.  She afterwards left off going to Dr. Kerrison, and went to a Dispensary in London, as an out-patient and was under the care of Dr. Curry – She went every week to London for about two or three months; she brought back powders which she took, and did not apply anything to her breast.  She did not get better; and about six weeks before her death, he brought her to Hertford to see the prisoner.  They saw him at the Green Dragon.  His wife told Chamberlain she had got cancer, and asked him if he could cure it.  He said yes; he thought he could.  His wife then went with Chamberlain to his house, and on their return, his wife told him that it was necessary she should remain at Hertford five or six weeks.  A lodging was then taken for her at Mrs. Nicholson’s, and she remained under the care of the prisoner.  Witness came every Sunday to see his wife; he never saw the wound during the time.  She complained of her breast being full of pain.  Saw her the day of her death; she had been delivered of a child.
   Cross-examined by Mr. CHADWICK JONES – The lump appeared two years before her death; it was very small then, and it got gradually larger.  She was under the care of Dr. Kerrieson a fortnight or three weeks; he gave her powders, and a lotion to bathe the breast with.  The breast got very large and hard, and she complained of much pain at times.  Came to Hertford in consequence of hearing that prisoner was skilful in the treatment of cancer.  Prisoner said the thought he could cure it before he examined the breast.  The breast continually discharged from the two small places up to the time of our coming to Hertford.  Never saw prisoner after deceased came under his care.  Deceased never made any complaint that she was treated improperly.  Had not seen her for a fortnight previously to my seeing her the day she died.  She had a cold and could hardly speak.  Never paid anything to prisoner; I asked him what his charge was, and he said he should make none till such time as he had made a cure but that he would not hurt me.