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Re: Elizabeth Tapper Date of birth
« Reply #9 on: Monday 16 September 13 16:54 BST (UK) »
1871 in Service aged 19 in Hammersmith - mistransed as TOPPER - now using Catherine E forenames ...

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Re: Elizabeth Tapper Date of birth
« Reply #10 on: Monday 16 September 13 16:55 BST (UK) »
Catherine Elizabeth Tapper marries in Shaftsbury in 1877, so probably not the one we want

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Re: Elizabeth Tapper Date of birth
« Reply #11 on: Monday 16 September 13 16:59 BST (UK) »
Does 'your' one ever give Catherine as a second name?

At the risk of total confusion, as we are following two different possibles here, the one without the Catherine middle name, the plain Elizabeth I found bn 1850, MIGHT be the one recorded as Brown in 1851 at HO107 1851 94 3
Living with grandma Sarah Tapper, who has married daughter Mary Brown there and numerous Brown grandchildren.
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Re: Elizabeth Tapper Date of birth
« Reply #12 on: Monday 16 September 13 17:01 BST (UK) »
And, lo and behold,  Mary Tapper married ELIAS Brown in 1838!
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Re: Elizabeth Tapper Date of birth
« Reply #13 on: Monday 16 September 13 17:10 BST (UK) »
Slightly confused as Elias and Mary Ann Brown are on 1861 (in their 50s) with daughter Martha 11 - previous censuses suggest one other child Levi, b c1840

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Re: Elizabeth Tapper Date of birth
« Reply #14 on: Monday 16 September 13 17:14 BST (UK) »
Many thanks for all recent posts. in all the written evidence I have there are no mentions of a second name.

If the Mary Tapper and Elias Brown connection is correct any ideas why on Elizabeth's first marriage certificate her fathers name is shown as Elias Tapper?
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Re: Elizabeth Tapper Date of birth
« Reply #15 on: Monday 16 September 13 17:15 BST (UK) »
ah - that Elias Brown married Mary Ann Miles in 1834.

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Re: Elizabeth Tapper Date of birth
« Reply #16 on: Monday 16 September 13 17:30 BST (UK) »
Many thanks for all recent posts. in all the written evidence I have there are no mentions of a second name.

If the Mary Tapper and Elias Brown connection is correct any ideas why on Elizabeth's first marriage certificate her fathers name is shown as Elias Tapper?

I just wondering if she, for some reason, she was brought up by granny and thus used the surname Tapper. When aaked for dads name at her marriage, she said Elias, and it got recorded as Elias Tapper (I have seen this sortof thing before)
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DeBoo - London
Green - Suffolk
Parker - Sussex
Kemp - Essex
Farrington - Essex
Boniface - West Sussex

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Re: Elizabeth Tapper Date of birth
« Reply #17 on: Tuesday 17 September 13 17:30 BST (UK) »
Trying to tie all the information together I've got this far--
The 1838 marriage between Elias Brown and Mary Tapper seem to be her parents.
The image of the 1841 census (obtained through FamilySearch) show Elias Brown's occupation as "Plasterer" which is the description used for the father on Elizabeth Tapper's first marriage certificate.
The 1841 census also shows children Sarah and Hannah. When we get to 1851 census Mary Brown is shown as married ( rather than widow) with Sarah, Hannah and four other children the youngest most likely being  the Elizabeth I am seeking. There is no mention of Elias and I cannot find a record of him later. I have also struggled to find members of the family in later census's only possibility being Phillis who showed up in the 1861 being in a workhouse.
The birth record of Elizabeth Tapper in the last quarter of 1850 is the correct period of the year and is in Shaftesbury but why was she not registered as Elizabeth Brown? Curious her birth is registered as Tapper but a short while later she is shown as Brown in the census. Elias seems to have disappeared.
Any further help or thoughts appreciated.
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