John Burgin of Gunby, Gonerby, Stamford.

[trish1120]

Well I am pleasantly surprised to find you have the Birth/Marriage Certs.

It is so frustrating on here when we tell people that Certs are needed and they never get them.

I am a bit perplexed then as to why you were interested in Joseph/Mary Burgin if you knew Johns Father was a John?
Is it because you could find nothing on him?

I will look around and see if I can help more or Geoff-E may be able to also.

Cheers,
Trish

EDIT, although John is down as a Labourer in 1861 Census the Address for John Williams Birth Cert is correct.
1851 in Back St, John is a Cowkeeper so it all looks good.

I have had no luck find JW in 1871 Census though have you?

[trish1120]

BAPTISMS for JOHN/ANN at St Sebastian, Great Gonerby;
ROBERT, 16 Dec 1789
JOHN, 04 Oct 1793**
ANNE, 15 Aug 1798
MARY 12 April 1801
FANNY, 15 May 1803
ELIZABETH, 16 July 1806, Buried 05 April 1807, Infant
ELIZABETH, 14 Oct 1810, Buried 22 Nov 1814 age 4
MARTHA, 17 Aug 1816
ELIZABETH, 19 July 1819, Buried 08 Dec 1823 age 4
JANE, 24 Nov 1822

ROBERT poss Married Ann LAWSON 26 Nov 1817
FANNY under Frances poss Married Thomas GUTTERIDGE 10 May 1831
MARTHA poss Married William COULBY 03 June 1839 (Her Father is Dead on Record)
JANE poss Married John CANT 08 June 1840 (Father Dead)

Now either Ann died 1813 or she remarried after John died 1832
(or this Ann may be the Widow of Robert 1789)
MARRIAGE;
Matthew DEWEY, Widower
Ann BERGIN, Widow
18 Oct 1836 St Sebastian
 
BURIALS same Church;
ANN Burgin, 01 November 1813 age 47
JOHN Burgin, 06 July 1832 age 65

Searching these people down on Census may help confirm info.

All above on FreeREG using soundex option on Surname

Trish

[trish1120]

Ignore that Bergin/Dewey Marriage as Ann Dewey is alive in 1841 Census.
She died 1857 age 77, Birth c 1781 so too young to have Married 1789! (Matthew died 1840)

Looks like your John/Ann died 1813/1832 as posted. So born c 1766/1767

As Ann appears to have died 1813 then the last 3 Baptisms I posted for a John/Ann may not be theirs.
Unless this John was like his Son and remarried after Anns Death!

[trish1120]

Looks like he may have?

MARRIAGE;
24 Nov 1814, St Wulfrum, Grantham, Lincolnshire
John BURGIN, of Great Gonerby Parish, Widower
Ann BROOKS, Widow of Grantham Parish
Witnesses, John Scarborough/Charlotte Holmes

So he prob remarried and they had Martha/Elizabeth/Jane.
After his Death 1832 Ann most likely married Matthew DEWEY 1836

[madburg]

All most helpful Trish - thanks.   Was hoping some of the new names you have given, might have provide the key to the John Walton link, but nothing yet.

[madburg]

I forgot to answer one of your queries "I am a bit perplexed then as to why you were interested in Joseph/Mary Burgin if you knew Johns Father was a John?  Is it because you could find nothing on him?"  Well yes exactly right!  I was searching for any thing, and these names cropped up more than once against nothing for John!

Any how going back to my original post .........    " ..................The parents of this Joseph being Francis Burgin b abt1738 and Elizabeth Hawley b abt 1738. "  I am now thinking that Joseph/Mary Burgin may be the brother of John.  He seems to have a brother John born around the right time, but the family links to Foston or Barrowby, rather than Gonnerby.

[SouthendSue]

I'm finding this very interesting as my husband is descended from Francis Burgin and Elizabeth Hawley. This is their family as I have it but I must stress that it is only from online sources nothing proved as yet. I'm happy to be proved wrong!

They were married 8 Jan 1759 @ Barrowby (Family Search)

Their children were all baptised at  Barrowby:

Elizabeth - abt 1762
Mary 1765
John - 1767, widow at time of marriage, 24 Nov 1814 to Ann Brooks b abt 1780, also a widow, maiden name unknown. John's first marriage not found yet. Ann went on to marry Matthew Dewey (she is living with her daughter Jane Caunt in 1851). John Burgin died 1832 Great Gonerby.
Robert Burgin - 1770 married Ann Lawson 1817 Gt Gonerby
Francis - 1772, d 1773
Francis - 1774
Joseph - 1777

Husband's tree comes down from John and Ann through their daughter Jane.
I wasn't aware of the alternative spelling "Burgoin" etc - off to investigate further!

Sue

[madburg]

Hi Sue,

Good to have some more interest after Trish's excellent help.  The Burgin line in my tree goes back with some certainty, to William Burgoyne my gggf who appears in Alfreton Derbyshire in 1881. 
The census entry gives Stamford as his place of birth.  After that, then we are 99% sure of the following.

We think he's in Stamford in 1871 - son of John Burgin b 1795 and Elizabeth Mane?? b 1817.  This was John's last wife.  There seems to have been a few  otherwives as you will have picked up from the posts - Sarah Wallband b 1799, Elizabeth Reynolds b1810, and possibly another Elizabeth b1820.

Finding a father/mother for John b 1795/6 was the problem, but we now think its John Burgin b abt 1767 and Ann Gray b abt 1767.  The same John that we think also married Ann Brooks.  AND the same John that links to your Francis & Elizabeth (Hawley) Burgin.

My John William's move to the Alfreton is interesting  - where his name becomes Burgoyne.  There are a whole range of Burgoyne's in SE Derbyshire.  So I think he may have gone there due to some family link with these Burgoyne's. As he was a clerk there I think the new spelling is correct - so the change of name, and what, and if there is a family link I have been unable to find. 

Are there any SE Derbyshire links in your husbands tree?

[SouthendSue]

Well, if we're both right about our trees it would appear that you and my husband are half cousins three times removed  as your John b1795ish and OH's GGGM, Jane b1822, had the same father.  Possibly!

As far as I know none of husband's family ended up in Derbyshire but I haven't followed every branch. One twig did go to Peterborough but apart from us in Essex most of the others seem to have stayed in Lincs but there again I don't trace secondary lines very far forward so I could be wrong.

The information giving John Burgin's (1767) first wife is very helpful. I had made a note that her name was probably Ann but had not found a marriage.

If you want any more details let me know. I assume that you've had a look at Lincs to the Past?

Sue