John Burgin of Gunby, Gonerby, Stamford.

[madburg]

Has any one found any information on a John Burgin b1794 in Gunby, or Gonerby or Gt Gonerby according to different census. He then lived in Stamford and appears to have been married to a range of Elizabeth's - the last being Elizabeth Main or Mane.  I'm trying to find his parents and so get further back with my tree.   Their son Willie moved to SE Derbyshire and took the name Burgoyne, which was a common name there with quite a dynesty.

Outside ancestry.com I have found a post that suggest there was a Joseph Burgin b1776 who married Mary Bartram b1770 in Gunby in 1795.  Which looks promising as potential parents, but I can't find any official records of this.   There are several public ancestry.com trees with a Joseph marrying a Mary Hart, who then live around Foston in Lincolnshire - but I can't find any link to Gunby.  The parents of this Joseph being Francis Burgin b abt1738 and Elizabeth Hawley b abt 1738.  But again no links to Gunby.

Any help or suggestions appreciated.

[Geoff-E]

Outside ancestry.com I have found a post that suggest there was a Joseph Burgin b1776 who married Mary Bartram b1770 in Gunby in 1795.

My marriage index confirms that there was such a marriage at Gunby (St Nicholas) near Grantham.

Note that there is also a Gunby (St Peter) which is near Spilsby.

[madburg]

Thanks Geoff.  I expect it to be Gunby, St Nicholas.  Can you confirm the wifes maiden name?

However things get complicated when I get to records, as their son John Burgin, (the subject of my research so far) if it is in fact their son comes up as follows in the census.

In 1841 he is in Stamford Baron, with wife Elizabeth b1792 and two daughters Sarah b1823 and Elizabeth b1825
The wife I have for him in the 1851 is Elizabeth (the same as above I think, b1793 in S Witham, though he is now down as coming from Gt Gonerby.
In 1861 there is different(?) wife Elizabeth b1819 from Cosby, he's down as from Gonerby.
In 1871 his wife is Elizabeth (Main or Mane we think this time) b1826 in Blaby, and he's down as from Gt Gumerley.

Its with this wife that we think he has a son John William (Willie) b1862 in St Martins (Stamford?) Northamptonshire - christened Stamford Baron 1861.

In 1881 William (Willie) now is in Alfreton living with his uncle John J Walton (or Warton) and family.  I can't find any link to the Walton's for how he is their nephew.

All the above fits together, but is John William's (Willies) grandfather, the Joseph Burgin who married Mary Bartram.   Even if it is I don't seem to be able to get further back.

Any more suggestions?

Martin
Western Australia 

[trish1120]

I have a little conflicting info;

Christenings, St Martin, Stamford Baron, Northamptonshire;
WILLIAM Burgin, 09 Sept 1820
SARAH Burgin, 03 August 1822
ELIZABETH Burgin, 24 April 1825
JOHN Burgin, 09 April 1827, Buried 14 April 1827, age 2 weeks
Parents JOHN/SARAH
Fathers Occp Labourer
Abode Stamford Baron

So if these have Mother as SARAH then Elizabeth on 1841 Census is is a second Wife.

MARRIAGE same Church (St Martin);
08 March 1841
(just before 1841 Census was taken)
John BURGIN, Widower, Labourer, Abode Melton Mowbray, Leicestershire
Elizabeth REYNOLDS, Widow, Dressmaker, Abode  St Martins Stamford Baron
Grooms Father JOHN Burgin, Labourer
Brides Father William INGLE, Labourer
Witnesses, Thomas PECK/Ann BAINS

BURIAL;
SARAH Burgin, 16 July 1840, St Mary, Melton Mowbray, Leicestershire
Age 41 (Birth c 1799)

Ah;
MARRIAGE same Church;
05 August 1819
John BURGIN, Bachelor, Parish-Whittering in the County of Northampton
Sarah WALLBAND, Spinster, Parish-St Martin
Witnesses, Rbt BEASLY/Elizabeth INGLE*

BAPTISM;
John BURGOYNE Baptised 04 October 1793, St Sebastion, Great Gonerby, Lincolnshire
Parents JOHN/ANNE
(several Siblings on there also uner Burgen/Burgoyne etc)

MARRIAGE;
23 February 1789, St Wulfrum, Grantham, Lincolnshire
John BURGEN, Bachelor of Great Gonnerby, Lin, Parish
Ann GRAY, Spinster of Grantham Parish


All on FreeREG

Trish

[trish1120]

Do you have John Williams Birth Cert to establish his Mothers maiden name?

FreeREG;

BAPTISM; 25 May 1861, BURGOIN   John William, Northamptonshire, Stamford Baron
Parents JOHN/ELIZABETH
Fathers Occp Labourer

BURIALS;
St Martin, Stamford Baron, Northamptonshire
ELIZABETH Burgin, 17 Aug 1847, age 56
ELIZABETH Burgoin, 26 May 1851, age 58

PS, welcome to Rootschat

[trish1120]

Re the Waltons;

Likely Marriage Reg;
John WALTON, Sept 1862, Belper, 7b 592
Millicent STORER on same page

[madburg]

Thanks Trish,

Yes we reason that John Burgin b1794 had three wives all named Elizabeth! His last one being Elizabeth Main (Mane).   This fits as when Willie marries (Mary Ann Abbott) he has a niece living with him called Ada (Charlotte?) Mayne.  I don't have a birth certificate for Willie, but a christening record b 25 May 1861 mother Elizabeth. 

I have the John Y Walton and Millicent Storer link from the 81 census but can't get much further back with John Walton to find any link that would make Willie his nephew, or even Millicents nephew.

Its getting back to Willies grandfather and further, that is my main intertest, and is where I've drawn a blank. 

There must be some link to why Willie went to SE Derbyshire as there are loads of Burgoyne's there.  Why did Willie go to Alfreton? In 1881 he's down as an office Clerk which suggests more education, than I would have expected from his roots.

Any further suggestions appreciated.

Martin Burgoyne

[trish1120]

Yes, possibly he married at least 2 Elizabeths but the 1st Wife was Sarah Wallband.
I think you need the Birth Cert of John William 1861.
Then you need the M/C to establish John and Elizabeths Fathers names/occp's.

It is imperative you get these to make sure you are following the correct Family line.
In Family Research there are no short-cuts and money must be spent.

I am pretty sure the John 1794ish Baptism I have give you is the correct one.


The 1841 Marriage for John Burgin to Elizabeth Reynolds has his Father as JOHN a Labourer.

Trish 

[madburg]

Many thanks again Trish, very, very helpful!

The M/C details we have for John Burgoin and Elizabeth Mane are:
Married: 10 October 1857
John Burgoin   age 60  Elizabeth Mane age 40
John  - Widower        Elizabeth -  Spinster
John - Cow Keeper    Elizabeth -  Cook Domestic Servant
Residence      John - Saint Martins, Stamford        Elizabeth - Rutland Terrace, Stamford
Father's name:  John - John Burgoin     Elizabath - John Mane
Profession of Father:   John - Agricultural Labourer            Elizabeth - Stocking Weaver 

Sorry we do have a B/C for John William:
Born:        5 May 1861 Back Street, Saint Martins, Stamford
Name:       John William
Father:      John Burgoin  (note the different spelling)
Mother:     Elizabeth Burgoin formerly Mane
Occupation of father:        General labourer

It appears that this Elizabeth came from Leicestershire so this is perhaps where the link to the Walton's comes in.

If as you say the John Burgin /Burgoyne baptised 1793 is the correct father of Willie then he sired Willie at the age of 68 - quite impressive! In which case Willies grandfather was the John Burgin who married Ann Gray in Gt Gonnerby in 1789.   NOT the Joseph Burgin/Mary Bartram who married in Gunby in 1795 as confirmed by Geoff-E.  I had thought Gunby, Gonerby and Gt Gonnerby where corruptions of the same place! So I guess the correct John Burgin we are looking at was born around 1768.