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James Scott veteran actor born 1819 Sheffield
« on: Sunday 15 September 13 16:49 BST (UK) »
James Scott b1819 Sheffield d1909 Chelmsford, his wife was a Mary Jane and they were married 5 May 1840 Sheffield (I think her maiden name is Crookes but not sure) can you confirm for me, also I cannot find a death date for Mary Jane Scott.(wife)
They had a daughter Clara G Scott born circa 1853 Sheffield, there was also a son to the marriage who died very young and I would like to find details of him name birth death if possible.
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P.S I already have the details of James from British newspapers online
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Re: James Scott veteran actor born 1819 Sheffield
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 15 September 13 18:20 BST (UK) »
Where did you find details of the marriage - I cannot find a match on freeBMD

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Re: James Scott veteran actor born 1819 Sheffield
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 15 September 13 18:28 BST (UK) »


This is the only match I can find for a possible marriage, Suz :

Marriage, Jun qtr 1840
James Scott
Mary Crookes
Wortley, Vol 22, page 484

http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/reg/districts/wortley.html

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Re: James Scott veteran actor born 1819 Sheffield
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 15 September 13 18:38 BST (UK) »


Which would be this one, as Peter already thought :

Marriage, 5th May 1840
James Scott
Mary Crookes
Ecclesfield, Yorkshire

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NFBH-68Z

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Re: James Scott veteran actor born 1819 Sheffield
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 15 September 13 18:45 BST (UK) »
Hiya,
Yes, but already have the marriage, it's the death date of his wife and details of a boy child to them who died very young.
Regards,
Peter.
Clover, Matthews, Bradley. Franklin, Dredger, West Ham London area. Clover's in Suffolk.
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Re: James Scott veteran actor born 1819 Sheffield
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 15 September 13 18:50 BST (UK) »


Hiya,
Yes, but already have the marriage, it's the death date of his wife and details of a boy child to them who died very young.
Regards,
Peter.

married 5 May 1840 Sheffield (I think her maiden name is Crookes but not sure) can you confirm for me

The problem is, sometimes to find other information you have to look at the whole picture.

And knowing the correct registration district is always a help.  :) :)

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Re: James Scott veteran actor born 1819 Sheffield
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 15 September 13 20:35 BST (UK) »
Not sure how you'll ever find this out - have had great trouble locating on the census and when I did find them they were less then helpful with their birthplaces (one just stating England).

They were continually on the move so the child could have been born anywhere.   I note they had an older daughter too - Frances E. Scott bc.1851 Manchester (incorrectly shown as 25 in 1851).    She must be the Frances Emily born Sept.qtr.1850 Chorlton.   If Clara indeed born Sheffield there are only 2, one born Jun.qtr.1852 and the other Jun.qtr.1854.   Both just plain Clara.   Can't find them in 1861 and in 1871 they are in Northumberland.  Clara herself married in Durham.   In 1881 James, Mary and Frances all in Brotton, Yorkshire and all shown with wrong ages!!

Mary married and appears on census as plain Mary so probably death recorded as plain Mary too (rather than Mary Jane).   Can't find James in 1891 so Mary must have died 1881 to 1901.

Can't see baptisms for either of the 2 known daughters so how you are going to find a son that died young I have absolutely no idea.

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Re: James Scott veteran actor born 1819 Sheffield
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 17 September 13 09:45 BST (UK) »
Hello and thanks,
I did not know of the 2nd daughter birth that's a new one, have found the 1881 details which puts both of their births as 1831 my apologies for stating 1819 for James birth 1831 would be correct.
Shame about the little by son born to the marriage (cannot find), would have thought they should be on 1841 census, James wife died suddenly on stage with him from a heart attack, and James little son was accidentally poisoned on stage, some poison in a bottle having been left there and the little lad drank it.
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Peter
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Re: James Scott veteran actor born 1819 Sheffield
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 17 September 13 16:04 BST (UK) »
You are wrong about being bc.1831 not 1819.    Age on 1881 census wrong.    How could they marry in 1840 if only born 1831????

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