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Re: Dowdy / Mcartney / Thurston in Victoria / South Australia
« Reply #54 on: Tuesday 17 September 13 07:50 BST (UK) »
Hi Judith,

I have found that information as well I'm not sure if they may have changed the spelling.

John DOWDY and Mary EAGLE ( John is really James)

James's parents are Richard Dowdy and Mary Neal

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Re: Dowdy / Mcartney / Thurston in Victoria / South Australia
« Reply #55 on: Tuesday 17 September 13 12:39 BST (UK) »
Again just thoughts---

Errors have occurred for this woman due to her copying the wrong words ,  as an illiterate person, on "event"  documents. Perhaps this copying was  from the marriage on the same page in the book (Hester McCARTNEY whose mother was Mary McCARTNEY)

-She certainly copied the words above hers when she signed her name as DOWDY I think the problem continued with McCARTNEY.

I agree with Cando  and Judith, the writing is a struggle for both parties and they may have had little or no idea of the meaning. Many at that time could write a little  (name  city , age etc.) but could not actually read.

John has taken his  previous event documents to register births and the errors have been repeated and compounded as the Registrar just copied them.

Finally, getting to SA, the officiating person (as Cando suggests) actually made a clear verbal inquiry and the facts of name were, for the first time, close to correct.

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Re: Dowdy / Mcartney / Thurston in Victoria / South Australia
« Reply #56 on: Wednesday 18 September 13 05:50 BST (UK) »
I wrote earlier in the thread.

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Just found an online tree ::) yes I know BUT the compiler has noted in the comments that he/she and other family researchers have agreed that Mary Ann is the dau of Charles THURSTON and Mary KNIGHT.

Perhaps they have more information that we have found however I agree with them.

Cando

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Re: Dowdy / Mcartney / Thurston in Victoria / South Australia
« Reply #57 on: Wednesday 18 September 13 06:39 BST (UK) »
Mehtfield, on the marriage record that is in a tree for the MCCARNEY girl the marriage record for Mary Ann and John is also shown.  That image shows that the minister had written a comment on the right hand side of the page outside the usual area.  As you have that record I'm wondering if the minister's comment is visible?

Just to get my own thoughts tidied up - what happened to William BROWN?

Cheers, Judith
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Re: Dowdy / Mcartney / Thurston in Victoria / South Australia
« Reply #58 on: Wednesday 18 September 13 07:22 BST (UK) »
I wrote earlier in the thread.

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Just found an online tree ::) yes I know BUT the compiler has noted in the comments that he/she and other family researchers have agreed that Mary Ann is the dau of Charles THURSTON and Mary KNIGHT.

Perhaps they have more information that we have found however I agree with them.

Cando

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I believe the McCartney surname was an error due to illiteracy and confusion on Mary THURSTON's part.

Sue
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Re: Dowdy / Mcartney / Thurston in Victoria / South Australia
« Reply #59 on: Wednesday 18 September 13 07:57 BST (UK) »
hi judith,

no i can not read it any better, someone with more experienced eyes might be able to read it.

just a question i wonder if Mary Thurston came to Australia with the McCartney girls maybe they were related maybe her mother was a McCartney.

i have found a death for a Charles Thurston (1869) and a Mary Thurston (1866) in south Australia 
on SA BDM and also on TROVE but i don't know how to add it to here


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Re: Dowdy / Mcartney / Thurston in Victoria / South Australia
« Reply #60 on: Wednesday 18 September 13 08:12 BST (UK) »
Here it is,

it looks to me as it says,

Note name father of bride & bride the (N something) Dowdy JK


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Re: Dowdy / Mcartney / Thurston in Victoria / South Australia
« Reply #61 on: Wednesday 18 September 13 08:18 BST (UK) »
If you have the 1864 Victorian marriage certificate for John and Mary Ann, it will have Mary Ann's father's occupation however she is not consistent  with her father's name so it may not be correct.  This could be her in 1851 however I also found a marriage in 1839 for a Charles THURSTON and Mary Ann KNIGHT and this is possibly the family below.  You need some information from certificates but in this case I wonder if they will be correct.

I also found a 1 year old Mary Ann THURSTON with a Daniel KNIGHT and his wife living in Norfolk however she was noted as born in county ie Norfolk and below it is detailed Mary Ann was born Middlesex.

1851 Census HO107/1467/543/ 37
Living 102 Star Street, Paddington Middlesex
THURSTON Charles Head 33  Carpenter  Born Norfolk, Higham
THURSTON Mary Ann Wife 32  Born Norfolk, Barham Broom
THURSTON Mary Ann Dau 10  Born Middlesex, Paddington
THURSTON Emma Dau 8     Born Middlesex, Paddington
THURSTON Charles Son 6   Born Middlesex, Paddington
THURSTON Louisa Dau 3   Born Middlesex, Paddington
THURSTON Diana Dau 1  Born Middlesex, Paddington
THURSTON Rebecca Dau 1  Born Middlesex, Paddington

Possibly Mary Ann's arrival as an Assisted Immigrant to Victoria
http://prov.vic.gov.au/index_search?searchid=24
THURSTON Mary Ann  22 years  Arrived Oct 1863 on the THERESA   Book  13A Page 252

Cando


hi judith,

no i can not read it any better, someone with more experienced eyes might be able to read it.

just a question i wonder if Mary Thurston came to Australia with the McCartney girls maybe they were related maybe her mother was a McCartney.

i have found a death for a Charles Thurston (1869) and a Mary Thurston (1866) in south Australia 
on SA BDM and also on TROVE but i don't know how to add it to here



Bit old to be Mary Ann's parents ie if that is her with her family on the 1851 census.

Mary Ann KNIGHT/S was born c1819 - this lady c1794

THURSTON Mary
19 Oct 1866  72 years  Status Married  Relative Charles THURSTON [Husband]
Residence Coxs Creek  Death Place Coxs Creek  Nai 25/172

This Charles born c1790

THURSTON Charles
29 Oct 1869  79 years  Status not recorded  Relative not recorded
Residence Bridgewater Death Place: Bridgewater  Nai 36/262

Cando


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Re: Dowdy / Mcartney / Thurston in Victoria / South Australia
« Reply #62 on: Wednesday 18 September 13 09:06 BST (UK) »
I'll try to get to the NLA by Saturday and the immigration fiche should at least show if Mary Ann THURSTON and (H)ester MCCARTNEY have consecutive numbers, which would mean they had probably booked passage together.  As they were both in London, and both servants it's possible they knew each other in London.  It's also possible that they made friends on the long journey.

My feeling is that there is no blood relationship between the girls but that either Mary Ann used Hester's mother's name for some reason or that it was a mistake by the minister. 

The Charles and Mary Ann THURSTON who seem to be parents to your Mary Ann are still alive in London in 1871.  It was worth following up though.

Judith

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