Dowdy / Mcartney / Thurston in Victoria / South Australia

[judb]

You are one smart lady Cando!

The marriage cert for Hester is on line (on a tree for Hester Barbara MCCARTNEY) and guess whose is next to it??  However, not on the same day - Hester and John GRAHAM on 4 Nov 1864 and Mary and John DOWDY on 26 December, 1864.

Both marriages at The Manse Beechworth, according to the forms of the Presbyterian church, married by John K (H?) McMillan.  John Dowdy says he is a member? of the Church of England.  Mary Ann, as mehtfield has already said, signs her name clearly with the surname DOWDY, however her writing does not appear very steady and she uses a lower case 'd' for the first letter of her surname - 'dowdy'.

Unfortunately I cannot decipher the witnesses' names for either marriage  - except for a Robert BURNS for Hester and John - but they do not appear to be each other (if you get what I mean!)
Hester needed consent of the Guardian XXXX(cannot decipher) as she was under age.

Just a point of interest - Hester's mother's married name was Mary Ann MCCARTNEY. 


Sue, Hester's sister, Martha MCCARTNEY, was in Peckham, London with her mother in 1871 so I think Ancestry may not have the correct shipping information.

Cheers, Judith

[cando]

Wow what luck.

There is a note either by the local registrar or minister at the right of the entry.  Mmm wonder what it says.

I would definitely describe both signatures as being from a possibly uneducated persons, especially Mary Ann's.

Cando

[cando]

And the comment - I wonder if the complete comment is on the OP's copy of the certificate.

[mhetfield]

Fingers crossed this works I'm not sure how to do it    everything you have been asking for.

yes you are right about Hester Barbara MCCARTNEY it is on the same page as Mary's

So the theory is that Mary signed her name as Dowdy (by mistake) and then Charles's last name is mistakenly written as Dowdy?

Then they also mistakenly wrote Mary's mothers name from the entry above then swapped her name from Alderton to McCartney.

Then when John and Mary had kids John took the marriage certificate in and again a mistake was made from Mary Dowdy to Mary McCartney

then when they get to South Australia all the mistakes seem to right themselves

[majm]

I think father of the bride is recorded as Charles THURSTON

Cheers,  JM

[judb]

Well done, mehtfield 

John DOWDY's signature looks the same on the birth and marriage certs.  I will be pleased to see the immigration fiche as I wonder if Mary Ann knew Hester MCCARNEY and, for whatever reason, used the surname MCCARTNEY. 

Do you have Mary Ann on the 1861 England census?  I can't see her at all. 

I note John DOWDY's place of birth as Norfolk on the baby's BC and "Wells" on the MC.  I assume then that he meant what is now know as Wells-next-the-sea in Norfolk.

Judith

[mhetfield]

Hi Judith,

you are right John was from Wells-next-the-sea in Norfolk we was born there and came over on the ship ( Ramillies ) it left for Australia around 1848

no sorry I haven't been able to find Mary Ann on the 1861 census

[mhetfield]

Hi JM

Yes I would say it is Charles Thurston as well and that is the second marriage certificate when she married to William brown.

Charles is the first name on both marriage certificates

[judb]

Ahhhhhhhhhhh  - no wonder I couldn't see John in 1851.

At least John's parents and origin are correct on the marriage certificate. FreeReg has the marriage of John DOWDY and Mary EAGLE, 21 December 1834 at St Nicholas, Wells-next-the sea with this note: This entry has been duplicated as DOWDY is written as an alternative spelling of DOUGHDY. Groom signed DOWDY  I note also that there are many entries for the surname DOUGHTY in Norfolk.

Judith