Dowdy / Mcartney / Thurston in Victoria / South Australia

[mhetfield]

I have also found on John Dowdy's marriage certificate (Mary's son)
where John has listed his mothers maiden name as Thurston.

1. So Mary's marriage certificate she is listed as a Dowdy as is her father (Charles Dowdy)
2. First two childrens birth certificate she is listed at Mccartney/Macartney
3. SA children birth certificate she is listed as Thurston
4. Second marriage she is listed as Thurston as is her father (Charles Thurston)
5. On her death certificate her fathers name is listed as Charlest Thorston

[sparrett]

A strange little set of co-incidences   regarding  McCartney 


On the ship THERESA, same voyage as Mary Ann THURSTON
MCCARTNEY HESTER B. aged  18  Date Oct 1863 per THERESA.  13A 251

McCARTNEY, MARTHA aged 28 Oct 1863 per THERESA  to Melbourne, Australia from London Via Southampton

These girls were sisters

Census 1861. Address 16 Shaw Square, Camberwell, Lambeth.

McCARTNEY, MARY ANN (wife)
MCCARTNEY, HESTER (daughter)
Aged 15
Born Peckham, Surrey, England
Occ.Servant

McCARTNEY, Martha,
Occ. scholar

1851, shows the husband as Henry McCARTNEY, House decorator.

Hester married in Victoria.

Marriage of Hester
MCARTNEY Hester Barbara
GRAHAM John
Year: 1864
Reg 4135

She had her first child in Beechworth in 1865.

Sue

[judb]

Where was the marriage of Mary Ann and John?  Did Mary Ann sign or use a cross on her marriage certificate? Where was the baby John actually born and who was present at the birth?

I'm wondering - purely speculation - if Mary Ann went to the Beechworth area with one or both of the McCartney girls and somehow used their surname. (Great find, Sue , but I can only see Hester not Martha)  I see John and Mary Ann were living at Stanley at the time of their marriage (Stanley is about 9km from Beechworth).

I'll be at the National Library in the next week or so and will have a look at the immigtration fiche.  As Mary Ann THURSTON's index entry has 2 references I'm hoping one of them may be the deposition record which should show where she went to.

I note that Cando found this death of a baby:
BROWN Diana Rebecca
Father William   Mother Mary Ann THURSTON
At Lillimur North 1885  4 Months  Reg#2051

I posted a death earlier which I thought was a bit of a long shot, however Lillimur and Horsham are both in NW Victoria.  Still a bit of a long shot  and age is wrong, but I feel that the father's name could easily be mistranscribed.  Thorston = Thurston and Chris = Chls.  My reference came from Ancestry, perhaps somone with better resources might check.
Victoria, 1895, #9627
Mary Ann BROWN, 61
Death Place: Horsham, Victoria
Father's Name:   Thorston Chris
Estimated Birth Year:   abt 1834
 
Adding another possible ref for the immigration fiche for Hester - saves me looking it up later 
MCCARTHY ESTHER B 18 OCT 1863 THERESA 14 263

Judith

 

[sparrett]

but I can only see Hester not Martha)  I see John and Mary Ann were living at Stanley at the time of their marriage (Stanley is about 9km from Beechworth). Judith

The immigration record for Hester came from -
http://prov.vic.gov.au/index_search?searchid=24

The record for Martha came from the immigration collection on Ancestry.

I cannot locate Hester McCARTNEY's on Ancestry nor Martha McCARTNEY's on prov.vic   

I have found the prov.vic immigration search options quite unreliable over the last year or so and have not yet discovered the way to search  the whole passenger list of a particular ship as used to be possible previously.

Regarding Martha McCARTNEY I have not turned up any further records for her in Victoria to date.


Sue

ADDING As has already been noted, the first DOWDY child was at Beechworth in 1865, same as the first birth to HESTER GRAHAM

[mhetfield]

Mary and John were married in Beechworth, on the certificate Mary signs her own name as Mary Ann Dowdy. It is very clear and easy to read. Baby John was born in Sebastopol on the 4/2/1867 and registered in Beechworth 23/2/1867, John Dowdy (Snr) was the informant and a Mrs Davis (nurse) was the witness.
 I am fairly confident that the Mary Ann Brown that died in Horsham is the one in question, her age is slightly off (which is the case in all of the certificates) however she has had the same husbands, children and Daughter in law, as well as having family settled in the area. There are a few articles and family notices about her on Trove.
 I haven't done a lot of research into Diana Rebecca Brown however given the parents names, dates and area, I thought it a likely daughter of Mary ann. On the Digger database it does list the mothers, fathers name as Chls Thorston, which may have been mistaken for Chris Thorston.
 I also found on Digger the Mary Ann Thurston in the Cowwar/Sale/Rosedale area has the births of her children with unknown fathers and Thurston as a Surname however there are identical listings for all of her children with the father and the fathers Surname completed and so far they don't seem to be related. 

[cando]

Sue just enter the ship's name and the year or month if you know it.  I always enter display 500 names and all the passenger names will be displayed.

http://prov.vic.gov.au/index_search?searchid=24

Cando

[cando]

Mary and John were married in Beechworth, on the certificate Mary signs her own name as Mary Ann Dowdy. It is very clear and easy to read. Baby John was born in Sebastopol on the 4/2/1867 and registered in Beechworth 23/2/1867, John Dowdy (Snr) was the informant and a Mrs Davis (nurse) was the witness.

Perhaps Mary thought as she was now married she was Mary Ann DOWDY.  I've seen it before on registrations with the married name crossed out and maiden name inserted.  Just because it is on a certificate does not make it correct.

So Mary Ann was not the informant on the birth registrations.  No wonder there are errors.

Cando

[mhetfield]

Sorry, the fathers name on the Mary Ann Browns (in Horsham) Death was listed as Chls Thorston, not on the certificate of Diana Rebecca.

The Marriage certificate also clearly has her Fathers name Charles Dowdy and Mother Mary McCartney, I'm not saying it is correct, just I'm not sure which is 

[cando]

I am fairly confident that the Mary Ann Brown that died in Horsham is the one in question, her age is slightly off (which is the case in all of the certificates) however she has had the same husbands, children and Daughter in law, as well as having family settled in the area. There are a few articles and family notices about her on Trove.

Do you actually have her death certificate?

Cando