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Re: Flaherty / Roels
« Reply #18 on: Saturday 14 September 13 05:27 BST (UK) »
Oh wow - thats amazing. I have hope again !!! :D  Thanks you so much for setting me off again as I had given up on this line.

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« Reply #19 on: Sunday 15 September 13 04:07 BST (UK) »
I noticed that everyone with public trees on Ancestry has Hannah's death year as 1938.  She actually died in 1919, three years after her husband Thomas.

5556/1919
BRATBY, ANN S
Parents: PHILLIP
Registered at GULGONG

Her obits:

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/103013562
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/112428240

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« Reply #20 on: Sunday 15 September 13 04:22 BST (UK) »
NSW Electoral roll 1903 ROBERTSON, polling at Gulgong
BRATBY:
Harry, at Beryl, labourer
Robert Lorraine, at Beryl, labourer
Thomas David, at Beryl, brickmaker
Hannah Sophia, at Beryl, domestic duties.
Plus :  :)
John PHILLIPS, at Three-mile, miner
William PHILLIPS, at Gulgong, miner

(I did not find anyone at that polling place in 1903 with the surname ROELS or FLAWDAY or FLAHERTY or variations)

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Re: Flaherty / Roels
« Reply #21 on: Sunday 15 September 13 05:05 BST (UK) »
Thank you so much , Debra. I didn't connect it to Hannah as there are 3 Ann's married to Bratby's. The death date on Ancestry - at least one tree is mine , was handed down by Hannah's son to his daughter in law (my great grandmother) just took it to be right. Just goes to show you have to be very open minded with spelling of names. Have ordered death certificate so hopefully will get more information. Thanks so much again - just love this forum as it opens avenues  I hadn't considered.

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« Reply #22 on: Sunday 15 September 13 05:29 BST (UK) »
Thanks JM,
Funny how " John Philps / Phillips " keeps croping up. Still trying to find out how the " Rolls/ Roels" fits in but at least hopefully will find something. :)

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« Reply #23 on: Sunday 15 September 13 06:48 BST (UK) »
From Hannah's marriage certificate:

Who were the witnesses?
What is Hannah's "usual place of residence"?
If Hannah was born anytime after 1854 she would have needed permission from a parent or guardian to marry - is there any mention of that on the certificate or did she lie about her age?

I see that her son Sydney's death reg. in Queensland gives her maiden surname as ROLLS so obviously his family also knew of the connection with that name.

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« Reply #24 on: Sunday 15 September 13 07:40 BST (UK) »
On the marriage certificate the witness's were : Morris Upton and Emily Jane Upton.
Thomas : usual residence was Australia Street Kingston
Hannah : usual residence was Marey ?? Moley ?? Street Kingston ( Street name unreadable).

The certificate has that she is a minor but no mention on who gave permission. On the NSW BDM it states : Particulars in Columns 5- (Birthplace), 7 - (Age) , 9- (Parents details) & 10- (Occupation) obtained from Church register no 464 WH Young Deputy Register Sydney 16 Oct 1915

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« Reply #25 on: Sunday 15 September 13 07:51 BST (UK) »
Official Transcipts are cheaper and quicker option ... But a snip and attach the address please... Also in the general area where it says according to the rites of .... that is where the clergymen usually note who gave consent... Required for all minors ir under 21 years...  How old for Hannah on that cert?

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Re: Flaherty / Roels
« Reply #26 on: Sunday 15 September 13 08:00 BST (UK) »
Hmm, I wonder if this baptism is relevant:

V18553636
42B/1855
PHILIP, ANN S
Parents: JOHN J F & MARY A A

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XTC3-6JL

The same Mary Ann Amelia who later married John ROELS I wonder?  But her surname was apparently HANSON  :-\

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