Flaherty / Roels

[Dundee]

JM, Robert was Hannah's son, not Mary Ann's.

Did Hannah give an occupation for her father on her marriage cert?  It seems to be a bit of a coincidence that Mary AA's husband was Phillip John ROELS and your Hannah's father had a similar name. 

Debra 

[majm]

Agh,  thanks Debra .... I can often get confused 

[Bikegirl]

Hannah's father was John Philps, she was illegitimate. Her mother is the one I looking for as the only details I have are : Mothers name on Hannah marriage certificate : Mary Ann Flawday. Notice in newspaper of Hannah's son Percy's funeral states details were inserted by grandmother Mary Roels. and another son of Hannah's was named after the grandmother having Roels in his name. No birth certificate for Hannah, no marriage certificate for Mary Flawday / Flaherty to a Roels.

[majm]

Hannah's father was John Philps, she was illegitimate. Her mother is the one I looking for as the only details I have are : Mothers name on Hannah marriage certificate : Mary Ann Flawday. Notice in newspaper of Hannah's son Percy's funeral states details were inserted by grandmother Mary Roels. and another son of Hannah's was named after the grandmother having Roels in his name. No birth certificate for Hannah, no marriage certificate for Mary Flawday / Flaherty to a Roels.

So, on Hannah's marriage cert, what is the exact  information that the clergyman recorded re

  Hannah's father .....    His full name,  his occupation 
  Hannah's mother ...... her full name

Cheers,  JM

[majm]

Wondering if anyone can lead me in the right direction.

Trying to find details of a Mary Ann Flaherty.
 daughter Hannah Sophia born 1858 ? Morpeth.
Hannah married in 1875 to a Thomas Bratby in Newtown.  Details on marriage certificate show name as Hannah Flawday daughter of Mary Ann Flawday and John Philps .

May I please ask where the surname FLAHERTY comes into the picture

Cheers,  JM

[Bikegirl]

Marriage Certificate of Hannah & Thomas Bratby,

Hannah Sophia Flawday   Birthplace : Morpeth. Fathers Name John Philps ( Farmer) * nothing known about him either other than this,) Mother : Mary Ann Flawday.

On Hannah and Thomas children's birth certificate Hannah is listed as mother Hannah Flaherty

[majm]

Did Hannah sign or did she make her mark when she married?

On the birth certs for her children, was it Thomas or Hannah who provided her nee name? 

I am wondering this as it may well be that Flaherty is simply how the District Registrar recorded the VERBAL advice when the births were being registered.... and it is perhaps the clerk's spelling for the verbal advice of  "Flawday"  or perhaps the clergyman decided to spell her surname as FLAWDAY when he was organising the marriage .... 

Also, does the marriage cert show that there has been NSW BDM reconciliation from church registers?   

Also, which church did Hannah and Thomas marry in .....   Perhaps the original church register will have others of that surname marrying there ....

Cheers,  JM

[Bikegirl]

Both Thomas & Hannah's signature are in the same handwriting of the details of the marriage ie the person that filled out the certificate also filled in their names as signatures. Yes the NSW BDM was reconcile with the church register. Details on children's birth certificate were given verbally. They were married at St Stephens,  Church of England Newtown. I might add that Hannah was 2 months pregnant so the wedding was  hurried.

[majm]

Both Thomas & Hannah's signature are in the same handwriting of the details of the marriage ie the person that filled out the certificate also filled in their names as signatures. Yes the NSW BDM was reconcile with the church register. Details on children's birth certificate were given verbally. They were married at St Stephens,  Church of England Newtown. I might add that Hannah was 2 months pregnant so the wedding was  hurried.

If it is all in the same handwriting, then I suspect that the reconciliation was not fully fully complete (sometimes five registers needed).....       first babies can often be in a hurry but that does not stop the clergyman from recording all the information.    In the 1870s there was a huge dispute between the NSW parliament and the Churches re just how much information to provide to the 'secular' BDM offices.     But the C of E clergymen recorded the details about the parents on several registers at the local level.....       

It is a matter of getting to the original one to see exactly what was recorded re Hannah's parentage  to learn further about both her mum and her dad....    I also find it a tad co-incidental that Mary's surname becomes ROELS, and that Hannah's dad was John Philips .... and there's a Philip John ROELS in Newtown when Hannah Sophia marries there. 

http://www.ststephens.org.au/    I think their older parish registers would be with the Diocese, and if that is so, then there's some good news 


http://www.archives.anglican.asn.au/index.php/p2/family_history


"We are currently planning a mass digitization project with Ancestry.com which will provide even wider public access to the information contained in our baptism, confirmation, marriage and burial registers."

If my memory serves me well, it was Dundee who first alerted RChatters to the above news 

Cheers,  JM