Flaherty / Roels

[Jennaya]

Another Mary A A CLAPHAM in the  NSW Index ?
10834/1857  CLAPHAM  MARY A A   
Mother MARY A A of  RAYMOND TERRACE 
AND
The same child with surname JONES
10834/1857  JONES  MARY A A   
Mother  MARY A A  of RAYMOND TERRACE 


More on the CLAPHAM family already named in this thread.

An Obituary for Hannah King nee HANSEN mentions only one son (Thomas George CLAPHAM b. 1841 died in Sydney 1860 – stepson of Jeremiah LEITHBRIDGE) and a daughter Mrs MOUNTAIN (Hannah Elizabeth CLAPHAM b. 1844)
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&cl=search&d=MEX19070523.2.14&srpos=6&e=-------10--1----0Letheridge--

A family tree has Mary Ann Amelia JONES as the daughter of George and Hannah as well. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~kiwiadams/5129.html

All rather confusing.

Essie

The book "The Story of John Nichols First Fleeter" page 122 mentions this child as well.
"Another daughter, Mary Ann Amelia Jones was born on 20 October 1857 to John and Mary Ann Amelia at the village of Alnwick, Hunter River. This child died on 29th August 1858 at Alnwick form bronchitis. Her father John Philp was a fisherman.
In the "History of Saint John's Anglican, Raymond Terrace 1840-1976", it states that the Reverend John Blomfield was appointed march 1857 and his register states his first burial was on 30 August 1858 for an infant ten months, Mary Amelia Clapham. On her death certificate it reads "omit Clapham and add Jones". William Gloag, District registrar of Raymond terrace added to Mary Amelia's birth certificate on 6 November 1858 "all father's particulars be omitted".

[Jennaya]

The Roels marriages

257/1860    ROELS    PHILIP JOHN    ANNE    MARY           SYDNEY    
257/1860    ROELS    PHILIP JOHN    HANSON    MARY ANN    SYDNEY    

[Jennaya]

I have been going back through this thread and this is the timeline that I have come up with.

Mary Ann Amelia Clapham marries a Mr Jones
This relationship breaks down
She has a relationship with John James Francis Philp and has 2 children, one of whom dies.
This relationship also breaks down.
She meets Philip John Roels, this time she wants to marry (perhaps he wants a marriage rather than a de facto relationship)
Mr Jones is probably still alive so Mary Ann Amelia uses her mother's maiden name to cover up the fact that she is still married to Mr Jones.

[Jennaya]

The Jones and Clapham marriage

Registration Number   Groom's Name    Bride's name   
V1853599 81-1853    William Jones    Mary A Clapham   QC    

[Bikegirl]

Thanks so much Jennaya,

My job tomorrow was to get a large sheet of paper and do a timeline with all the details as I am getting so confused.But definitely think this is the right track - just got to prove it now

[majm]

Hi

PLease dont copy paste from databases which are copyright of their owners.

Better you modify by typing up your own transcription

I wonder if 'fisherman' could be a discreete way to hint  'mariner'  ie if Cpt ROELS was the 'fisherman '?  Morpeth was a commercial port in that era

Cheers JM

[Bikegirl]

LOL - I must be getting old - I was going to use butcher paper and a pen

[Jennaya]

LOL

[majm]

http://users.tpg.com.au/gpelosi/dat1.html

According to the above SUBMITTED tree so it needs validating with records, not just with the index references,

John James Francis PHILP son of Alexander PHILP and Sophia NICHOLS was born 10 Sept 1829 at Newcastle and died 25 March 1888 at Raymond Terrace

Mary Ann Amelia CLAPHAM, daughter of George CLAPHAM and Hannah HANSON,  was born 2 Sept 1838 at Sydney,

 Ann Sophia Phillip PHILP was born 22 October 1855 at Morpeth.    Her parents were Mary Ann Amelia JONES nee CLAPHAM and John James Francis PHILP

So, perhaps it would be sensible to work on establishing the validity of the John James Francis PHILP information. 


Cheers,  JM