Flaherty / Roels

[Jennaya]

yerrr

Can Longhand script 'Clapham' be read as 'Flawday' ?  Same no of characters same vowels  same up and down strokes ... perhaps there was a flourish completing 'm'

or perhaps the clergyman misread the permission slip for consent to marry rather than misreading his own handwriting

or perhaps Hannah was not descended from First Fleeter

or perhaps May Ann was born FLAWDAY and no record of any others with that name at all or  :


Can Mary Ann Amelia Mrs Philp formerly Jones nee Clapham/Hanson have moved on without formally ending her marriage to William Jones (NSW divorce dates from 1873, so YES she can ... otherwise Hannah Sophia would be nee JONES)

If she can move on ONCE can she move on more than once ...  of course she can ... 

Thats what makes family history intriguing

Cheers JM

It was actually John Philp who was descended from the first fleeter through his father

[Jennaya]

This link takes you to the John Nichols family society web-page

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~johnnichols/

Click on the Sophia Philp/Markey link on the LH side to read more about this part of the family.


Regards
Jennaya

[Jennaya]

I think there are a lot of similarities here, but not sure how to prove or disprove this.

Regards
Jennaya

[Jennaya]

"Between 1854 and 157 John James Francis had a relationship with Mary Ann Amelia."

Just realised a typo in the above sentence. Should be 1854 and 1857.

So it looks like she did move on again.

[majm]

Roels married Hanson ... likely Mrs Jones using her own Mum birthname ...

Christ Church Cathedral has their historic baptism burial and marriages imaged and on flickr ... Likely includes Morpeth ... live links on rchat NSW Resources Board

Cheers JM

[Bikegirl]

Thank you so much Jennaya. This does sound very interesting. Have contacted the Family
 co-ordinator on Sophia Philps line requesting more info on John so will have to wait and see but ever hopeful 

JM - so good - this just keeps getting better & better 

[Jennaya]

Hi Bikegirl

I sent you a PM before I read this last post.

Hopefully you will get a reply from the co-ordinator.

Regards
Jennaya

[Dundee]

Hmm, I wonder if this baptism is relevant:

V18553636
42B/1855
PHILIP, ANN S
Parents: JOHN J F & MARY A A

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XTC3-6JL

The same Mary Ann Amelia who later married John ROELS I wonder?  But her surname was apparently HANSON 

Debra 

That Mary Ann Amelia isn't ours as she married a Captain J Roels and at her death the only daughter was Blanche. ( & two sons) (Trove)

Captain ROELS and Mary Ann Amelia had at least 9 children that I can find registered.  Two died as infants, the eldest daughter Marie Antoinette had a difficult life and died in 1888 in Victoria, but when Mary Ann Amelia died in 1914 the remaining six children were still living, three daughters and three sons.

I think you need to get a copy of Mary Ann Amelia ROELS' death cert. and hope that the informant gave a correct account of her partners and children.

Debra 

[majm]

You will likely need more several NSW BDM certs .... Save some pennies and order Official Transcripts instead of the real deal cert.  NSW BDM website lists their Official Tramscription Agents... All the info and already deciphered and quicker and email attachments

Cheers JM