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Re: Grandfather jailed for bigamy - missing link
« Reply #63 on: Monday 16 September 13 23:37 BST (UK) »
Baring in mind I am trying to trace my family tree and nothing so far derogatory has been written, can you please explain the issue here?  :) Just asking

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Re: Grandfather jailed for bigamy - missing link
« Reply #64 on: Monday 16 September 13 23:38 BST (UK) »
Definitely more needed to say it's the same man - but it may be that the Armley records can link the two satisfactorily.  If he is the same man, it may be that in wartime he spent time away from his Aylesbury home & developed another relationship in parallel to his marriage.

I will email them back and ask if there is any further information they can divulge.

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Re: Grandfather jailed for bigamy - missing link
« Reply #65 on: Monday 16 September 13 23:44 BST (UK) »
Baring in mind I am trying to trace my family tree and nothing so far derogatory has been written, can you please explain the issue here?  :) Just asking

The concern raised is not a criticism of you (or anyone else) but just a recognition that the subject-matter is sensitive and may be pertinent to (other) living people. One of the moderators will no doubt step in if any post oversteps the mark with respect to Rootschat's rules and guidelines.

Back on topic, it may be that newspapers from the relevant time (not currently available online) would be illuminating.  The Yorkshire Post and its sister newspaper the Yorkshire Evening Post were both published in Leeds in the late 1940s (and still are). You may get assistance from WYAS Leeds: http://www.wyjs.org.uk/archives-leeds.asp.

Added: ...and/or Leeds Central Library, as mentioned in this old thread: http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=102470.0

(Just seen from earlier in the thread (reply #19) that Dawn has already kindly searched the Yorkshire Post for the first-mentioned version of the surname).
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Grandfather jailed for bigamy - missing link
« Reply #66 on: Monday 16 September 13 23:53 BST (UK) »
Dan. the concern is not a criticism of you (or anyone else) but just a recognition that the subject-matter is sensitive and may be pertinent to (other) living people. One of the moderators will no doubt step in if any post oversteps the mark with respect to Rootschat's rules and guidelines.

No, I understand and this is perfectly fine  ;D

Back on topic, it may be that newspapers from the relevant time (not currently available online) would be illuminating.  The Yorkshire Post and its sister newspaper the Yorkshire Evening Post were both published in Leeds in the late 1940s (and still are). You may get assistance from WYAS Leeds: http://www.wyjs.org.uk/archives-leeds.asp.

Added: ...and/or Leeds Central Library, as mentioned in this old thread: http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=102470.0

The WYAS are who provided me with this latest information regarding this new name lead in connection with the prison sentence. I emailed them last week.

I was intending to go and look at some micro film archive when I had an idea which direction to go in. This new information could possibly help a great deal with that.  :)


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Re: Grandfather jailed for bigamy - missing link
« Reply #67 on: Tuesday 17 September 13 00:07 BST (UK) »

The WYAS are who provided me with this latest information regarding this new name lead in connection with the prison sentence. I emailed them last week.


Yes, my thought was simply that WYAS Leeds may have records which WYAS Wakefield don't have (I confess I don't know how interlinked their respective catalogues are).
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Grandfather jailed for bigamy - missing link
« Reply #68 on: Tuesday 17 September 13 08:40 BST (UK) »
Baring in mind I am trying to trace my family tree and nothing so far derogatory has been written, can you please explain the issue here?  :) Just asking

The concern raised is not a criticism of you (or anyone else) but just a recognition that the subject-matter is sensitive and may be pertinent to (other) living people. One of the moderators will no doubt step in if any post oversteps the mark with respect to Rootschat's rules and guidelines.


This is exactly what I meant, and absolutely no criticism of anyone was intended, just a warning that others may be involved and to tread carefully. 

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Re: Grandfather jailed for bigamy - missing link
« Reply #69 on: Tuesday 17 September 13 09:21 BST (UK) »
Just to let you know, as a moderator and a contributor I have been watching this topic carefully and so far everything is just about within the boundaries we have here. see my comment in reply #52.

Dan, if money is no object and you can wait 5 days, it wouldn't be a bad idea to get the 1934 marriage to see what details are contained in it, bearing in mind though that this could be a red herring and you can't send tyhe cert back if it's wrong.

If Gordon has fibbed on the 2nd marriage, he may have fibbed a bit on the first.

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Re: Grandfather jailed for bigamy - missing link
« Reply #70 on: Tuesday 17 September 13 09:25 BST (UK) »

If Gordon has fibbed on the 2nd marriage, he may have fibbed a bit on the first.


If indeed it was his first...

(By which I simply mean it may be worth bearing in mind the possibility that the 1934 marriage wasn't his first, no trace of him in that name having yet been found before that date.  Again, the court/prison records from the late 1940s may assist on his marital history, if it's the same person).
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Grandfather jailed for bigamy - missing link
« Reply #71 on: Tuesday 17 September 13 15:00 BST (UK) »
Dan, if money is no object and you can wait 5 days, it wouldn't be a bad idea to get the 1934 marriage to see what details are contained in it, bearing in mind though that this could be a red herring and you can't send the cert back if it's wrong.

Lol, if money was no object I would hire someone to do EVERYTHING for me lol. Seriously though, how would I go about purchasing said cert, and what would I be looming at as a price? I don't mind paying for 'possible' leads if they may direct us, within reason of course. :-)