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Re: Grandfather jailed for bigamy - missing link
« Reply #27 on: Sunday 15 September 13 23:35 BST (UK) »
Quote from: Paul Marshall;20949
Dan,
There does seem to be more than a little vagueness in the information you're providing.
How much of it is just stories that have been handed down and how much of it is actual fact?
Well obviously actual fact would have to be backed up, so with this in mind, the only FACT I hold would have to the hard evidence of BMD certificates of the following:
Gordon's Marriage (to Nora) and death certificates
Nora's Birth, Baptism, Marriage (as above) and death certificates.


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I agree that is the DOB shown on his death registration but how do you know he was born "somewhere in London" when you don't have his birth certificate and he can't be found on either the 1901 nor the 1911 census?
Mainly going on what info I have been given from my Dad and Mum.

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Do you have confirmation of this? Have you tried contacting the regiment?
I may be wrong, and please correct me if I am, but I was always under the impression that the Green Howards were always based in the North Riding.

I haven't contacted the GH as yet, but Gordon was based at a Barracks in Leeds. We have a portrait of him from when he was in the Green Howards (somewhere - I am trying to get hold of this). The GH have a head office up in Richmond N.Yorks but their regiments, I am lead to believe, were scattered. As far as I am aware, based on internet evidence, the GH in Yorkshire were actually known as the Yorkshire Regiment, 8th Foot Battalion (citation needed on this).

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I found no record of him in the Ancestry UK Railway Employment Records.
His occupation on his marriage cert states he was a Tram Car Cleaner, and on his death cert as Retired Railway Platelayer. Info given to me by my Dad was that he worked for the GNER. Nothing to substantiate this though.

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She died in 1975 (as shown in post #2) and her death registration shows she was born in 1907. I did find her birth in the Irish Civil Registration Birth Index.
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According to my dad, the BMD office in Dublin was destroyed in a fire. I have nothing to back this up though.

Name: Norah Reddington
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1907
Registration District: Ballina
Birth Country: Ireland
Volume: 4
Page: 9
FHL Film Number: 101071



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May I ask where from and just how did that information "come to light"?
Nora's sister, Margaret actually told her daughter this information before her death, but made her swear to secrecy that she wouldn't divulge this info to my father or his brothers. Instead Her brother obtained this info from her and told my father himself. According to this information from Margaret's daughter, the only person who knew of this act of bigamy was Nora and her sister Margaret.
I spoke to Margaret's son today regarding this with hopes the witness Daniel Hopkins, to Gordon and Nora's marriage my either have mentioned some other missing clue to any of his living relatives, or may have been around to ask in person. Sadly he died earlier this year.
Again, according to this information, Gordon left a wife and family down South somewhere before he married Nora.





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A little vague.

 etc, etc.

Sorry to go on Dan but do you see what I'm getting at?

You need to be more concise and post another message telling us everything that you know to be true which you can back up with documented information.

If this was a Court of Law the case would have been dismissed a long time before it went to the jury.

Where is your evidence?

I don't mean to be rude but several people already (in other forums) have been running around in circles and haven't found anything.

Let's have the facts. Forget about the rumours. Just go through all the official documents and stuff that you can verify and repost with information from that and we'll take it from there.

Thanks. Please don't get mad at me!  All of us want to help but you have to help us too. And you did ask for help!

Kindest regards,
Paul

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Re: Grandfather jailed for bigamy - missing link
« Reply #28 on: Sunday 15 September 13 23:36 BST (UK) »

I do understand what you are saying and appreciate all the help you are putting in. The problem is that only having a few hard copy BMDs, all you can go on are things told by relatives.

Someone having a southern accent indeed would not constitute coming specifically from London - however, if my father can recall Gordon telling him he "was born behind the Arsenal Football ground", would that not be evidence of him coming from the Highbury area of London? He was also an avid Arsenal FC fan.
My father also states the following based on recollections of 'what his father told him':
Gordon was named after the famous jokey - Gordon Richards.
His mother was French.
His father was a horse breeder.

My father was born in 1947
He has two brothers born in 1948 and 1951 so would this not suggest Gordon's timings for conceiving his sons?
Gordon (according to Margaret's son's hand-me-down stories), had an older family - I am currently trying to obtain more info on this to elaborate whether this meant he had older siblings, or if this is in relation to his 1st marriage to unknown wife no.1 of bigamist marriage.
He served his prison sentence at Armley Jail in Leeds, I am suspecting sometime between 1947 and 1951,
His earlier claim that the BMD office in (?) London (?), burnt down destroying his birth cert, could well be an 'easy way out', of destroying his original name, pinched from Nora's claim of the same.
If the police managed to catch up with him, they obviously had some information that could be the missing link here; original name? Address?

My guess to finding this missing link would either be down to his army service, or within his prison sentence?
If the recorded bigamy sentences already found reveal nothing on a Gordon Richard Markinson, could this be down to him being imprisoned under his REAL name? Could this REAL name be the one held by the Green Howards.

I do intend to do some leg work on this when I get time, as well as scanning in and uploading the documents I hold to somewhere that can be viewed.

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Re: Grandfather jailed for bigamy - missing link
« Reply #29 on: Monday 16 September 13 00:11 BST (UK) »
OK.
But so far you really haven't give me any hard evidence to work from.
Get back to me when you do have some.
Kindest regards,
Paul

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Re: Grandfather jailed for bigamy - missing link
« Reply #30 on: Monday 16 September 13 00:20 BST (UK) »
Maybe he simply didnt commit bigimy  ;D

 


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Re: Grandfather jailed for bigamy - missing link
« Reply #31 on: Monday 16 September 13 00:24 BST (UK) »
"He served his prison sentence at Armley Jail in Leeds, I am suspecting sometime between 1947 and 1951"

Please elaborate on that ... right now I'm having a laugh and sharing it too.

Where did that come from?

The man is innocent and I don't believe he was ever proven to be guilty.

Dan, I think you are taking us for a ride here?

Paul




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Re: Grandfather jailed for bigamy - missing link
« Reply #32 on: Monday 16 September 13 00:32 BST (UK) »
Maybe he simply didnt commit bigimy  ;D

Questions to be asked. I tend to agree.

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Re: Grandfather jailed for bigamy - missing link
« Reply #33 on: Monday 16 September 13 00:52 BST (UK) »

Gordon was named after the famous jokey - Gordon Richards.

Hi - the jockey (Sir) Gordon Richards was born in 1904 and made his racing debut (according to online sources) in about 1920-1921.

So a child born in or about 1900 cannot have been named (at birth) after the jockey.  However, it might be worth keeping in mind the possibility that in renaming himself as an adult (if he did) he chose to name himself after the jockey.
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Re: Grandfather jailed for bigamy - missing link
« Reply #34 on: Monday 16 September 13 01:47 BST (UK) »
Given that (allegedly) his father was a "horse trader" I suppose it's quite possible.

Personally, I think not. That's just my opinion.

Did I spell "opinion" right?

Paul

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Re: Grandfather jailed for bigamy - missing link
« Reply #35 on: Monday 16 September 13 02:25 BST (UK) »
I've been thinking about this one  ::)

Firstly  ;D  I dont know anything about the UK electoral registers but could it be checked in anyway to see when he first turned up around the Leeds area?  ??? And if anyone else with the same name was at the address as well.

Secondly  ;D IF he was in the military i wonder if he could have married overseas while serving ???


Ooops forgot to ask poster where did he get the date of birth for Gordon from.