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Church Records
« on: Thursday 12 September 13 20:02 BST (UK) »
Hi Everyone.

Does anyone know why some of the church records on irishgenealogy.ie have images of some registers and not others.

Thanks, CC
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Re: Church Records
« Reply #1 on: Monday 16 September 13 20:05 BST (UK) »
posting error.. no replies yet....CC
O'Farrell (Dublin) & (Westmeath) - Leonard (Dublin) - Duggan (Dublin) - Nolan (Dublin) & (Kildare) - May (Dublin) & (Manchester) - Griffin (Limerick) & (Dublin) - Doody (Dublin)- Doran (Dublin) - Flatherty (Dublin) - Ryan  - Dunne - Malone - Healy -

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Re: Church Records
« Reply #2 on: Monday 16 September 13 20:34 BST (UK) »
Seems to be a bit missing from this thread  ???
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Re: Church Records
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 17 September 13 13:58 BST (UK) »
In the early part of this project only a transcription was made of the records
Subsequently records were digitised
Link to history of project
Under "update" it states that Dublin City is complete yet there are still some records without digital entries
There is a format for feedback on the site; this would allow you ask the question to the site designers/contributors directly
Kearney & Bourke/ Johns & Fox/ Mannion & Finan/ Donohoe & Curley
Byrne [Carthy], Keeffe/ Germaine, Butler/ McDermott, Giblin/ Lally, Dolan
Toole, Doran; Dowling, Grogan/ Reilly, Burke; Warren, Kidd [Lawless]/ Smith, Scally; Mangan, Rodgers/ Fahy, Calday; Staunton, Miller
Further generations:
Brophy Coleman Eathorn(e) Fahy Fitzpatrick Geraghty Haverty Keane Keogh Nowlan Rowe Walder


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Re: Church Records
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 17 September 13 15:28 BST (UK) »
It's also worth noting that there seems to be two sets of records for RC St Andrews- one with photos and one without, here's a random example
Without photo
http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/de41f30429810
with photo
http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/fd18390024282
Also - a personal gripe. When you start to compare these two sets, the quality of transcription varies  wildly - for marriages, one set has mother's name of bride and groom as N/R and the other record will name them. To state that information has not been recorded when it has, is really poor. >:(

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Re: Church Records
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 17 September 13 16:09 BST (UK) »
Agreed Hasta
But at least they're still doing it!!
Kearney & Bourke/ Johns & Fox/ Mannion & Finan/ Donohoe & Curley
Byrne [Carthy], Keeffe/ Germaine, Butler/ McDermott, Giblin/ Lally, Dolan
Toole, Doran; Dowling, Grogan/ Reilly, Burke; Warren, Kidd [Lawless]/ Smith, Scally; Mangan, Rodgers/ Fahy, Calday; Staunton, Miller
Further generations:
Brophy Coleman Eathorn(e) Fahy Fitzpatrick Geraghty Haverty Keane Keogh Nowlan Rowe Walder

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Re: Church Records
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 17 September 13 18:19 BST (UK) »
I didn't know that! That's poor form, sometimes the only way of finding a mother's name is on baptismal records, to state it hasn't being recorded when it has seems quite strange. Must go back now and recheck some of my sources.

Amy
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Re: Church Records
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 17 September 13 20:21 BST (UK) »
Thank you guys for responding,

The church records are very frustrating sometimes.  I don't know if you know about St Nicholas church but you can go to their website Francisstreetchurch.ie and get a password sent to you and then you can look at records from 1881 (I think) to 1889.  I found a few of my rellies on there but you have to scroll through all the pages and some are out of date order and they are not complete either.  I have tried several times to get an answer as to why some of the records are not there but they don't seem to want to say.

The reason I asked the question was because of the fact that like Trelawn mentioned sometimes it is the only place to find parents names.  Then I got to thinking if they weren't recorded on the site that perhaps you could still see them on the original register and that they just hadn't been transferred properly.  Then it would be worth contacting the church to see if they would do a search.

I have hit a wall with all the names on my side of the family.

My one rellies in particular I now think that she may have been adopted.  I have looked for her birth under the name that is on her marriage certificate and also under the name my mam had given me but nothing.  I have all sorts of information about her except her birth...She was born in 1868 but even the GRO has nothing for her.....Rumor has it that she was born in Manchester England so I tried the English sites...Nada.....So I have come to the conclusion that she was adopted.  I don't know anything about how the adopted in the 1860's.  Anyone know if there were records kept or did rellies just give them their name and raise them?
I have looked everywhere for her on free sites and paid sites.  I haven't given up I am just stuck.

I guess I'll give the churches a go if I can figure out where my rellies may have been baptized.

CC
 
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Re: Church Records
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 17 September 13 22:18 BST (UK) »
My one rellies in particular I now think that she may have been adopted.  I have looked for her birth under the name that is on her marriage certificate and also under the name my mam had given me but nothing.  I have all sorts of information about her except her birth...She was born in 1868 but even the GRO has nothing for her.....Rumor has it that she was born in Manchester England so I tried the English sites...Nada.....So I have come to the conclusion that she was adopted.  I don't know anything about how the adopted in the 1860's.  Anyone know if there were records kept or did rellies just give them their name and raise them?
I have looked everywhere for her on free sites and paid sites.  I haven't given up I am just stuck.

Adoption didn't come into place in Ireland until much later in the 20th century. Earlier 'adoption' was mostly just an informal arrangement between family members, friends or neighbours to look after a child.
Registration of births started in 1864 but wasn't totally compulsary until 1870- that, combined with the newness of the process, meant many births were simply not registered. However, in this particular case the child could have been registered in a different area, without a first name being chosen, under a different name than the one you've checked or simply much earlier/later than you think.
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