May Phillips - Tutbury

[Nookie]

I would really appreciate it if someone could look up the birth certificate/baptism of a May Phillips who was born in Tutbury in 1873.

May was my g/grandmother and I would like to establish who her parents were. 

She married a James Frederick Perrins in South Africa and on the birth of their son she stated that her maiden name was May Phillips, but on her death certificate it was stated that her parents were a Henry and Hannah (Coggins) Perrins.  After James died she remarried a George Harcourt Morris.

Just to add to the mix Henry and Hannah had a daughter May, born in 1873 in Buxton.  They came out to South Africa and on Hannah's death notice it stated that their May had married a George Morris.

If you are confused - so am I   I would really appreciate any assistance in trying to clear this mystery.

[Mabel Bagshawe]

The only may I can find born Tutbury at that time is a whittaker, and she marries, is widowed and still in England in 1911, so I guess isn't yours

[heywood]

Hello,

Free BMD has the birth of May Perrins in 1873 in Burton which is the registration district for Tutbury.
The only Henry and Hannah Perrins I can see in 1881 do not have a child May born at that time.
When did they emigrate?

regards
heywood

[Nookie]

Hello,

Free BMD has the birth of May Perrins in 1873 in Burton which is the registration district for Tutbury.
The only Henry and Hannah Perrins I can see in 1881 do not have a child May born at that time.
When did they emigrate?

regards
heywood

Morning

Henry and Hannah could have arrived in South Africa around 1881/2 as it is thought that their daughter Lavinia was born in South Africa in 1882.  They were definitely here by 1884 when their son was born.

Unfortunately my grandfather, the son of May (?Phillips) and James, divorced my grandmother after my father and uncle were born.  He then died in what is now Zambia and I have been unable to source any documents from there.

I must admit that this family tree business is not for sissies

[heywood]

The Henry and Hannah on 1871 census are not the right ones.

Free BMD has:
Marriage
Stoke T December quarter 1867 volume 6b page 372
Henry Perrins and Hannah Coggins

Birth
Burton September quarter 1873 volume 6b page 342
May Perrins

That seems quite a gap between marriage and birth so perhaps there are other children.
Also they should be in 1871 census at least.

I wonder if this is the family
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/V5RP-WTJ

There is a Hannah Coggins born abt 1849 Birmingham in 1861 census so that would fit.

[Nookie]

Thanks so much.  The 1871 census on familysearch is correct.  Henry had been married previously to a Rosehannah Witten/Whitton/Whitten (1832/3-1866) before marrying Hannah. 

[heywood]

Thanks so much.  The 1871 census on familysearch is correct.  Henry had been married previously to a Rosehannah Witten/Whitton/Whitten (1832/3-1866) before marrying Hannah.

I couldn't spot a death for her although I saw her in 1861.
It is best to post whatever information you already know - as Henry and Hannah are mistranscribed in 1871, it took quite a time to find them  - and then you already knew!!

I am not sure how much information you will gain by sending for the marriage cert for H and H or the birth certificate for May as you already have that info.

Is it possible to find out more about the Perrin/Morris marriage?

[Nookie]

Thanks so much.  The 1871 census on familysearch is correct.  Henry had been married previously to a Rosehannah Witten/Whitton/Whitten (1832/3-1866) before marrying Hannah.

I couldn't spot a death for her although I saw her in 1861.
It is best to post whatever information you already know - as Henry and Hannah are mistranscribed in 1871, it took quite a time to find them  - and then you already knew!!

I am not sure how much information you will gain by sending for the marriage cert for H and H or the birth certificate for May as you already have that info.

Is it possible to find out more about the Perrin/Morris marriage?

My apologies for not including all the information, but I set off really trying to find the birth of May Phillips.

What I have is the birth certificate of my grandfather (James Alfred Perrins) who was born in South Africa in November 1898.  He was born to James Frederick Perrins and a May Phillips.  JFP died between 1898 and 1901 and May remarried a George Harcourt Morris on 20 June 1901 stating that she was a widow.  My grandfather then decided to change his name completely to James Frederick Morris - usually called Fred.

I recently applied for the death notice of May only to discover that her parents were listed as Henry and Hannah Perrins, and that is where the total confusion began! 

The death notice also confirms the following: 
 a son - James Frederick Perrins (known of as Morris)
Birth place - Tutbury
Surviving spouse - George Harcourt Morris

I have been in touch with someone doing the Perrins tree as far as Henry and Hannah goes. He told me that Hannah Perrins' death notice confirms a daughter May who married a George Morris.  Unfortunately no dates or any other information regarding this is given on her death notice.

I have always presumed that my g/grandmother was a May Phillips as stated on her son's birth certificate, and that I was just unable to find information regarding her birth on the internet.  I now am faced with the problem that either the information on the birth certificate was wrong, or that the death notice is wrong. 

Unfortunately I have been unable to trace the death notice for Fred (who died in what is now Zambia) nor have I been able to trace any information regarding James Frederick Perrins who married May Phillips, other than the fact that he was born in England and that they married in the Transvaal.

As you can see from the above I have a confusing mystery on my hands, and two sets of papers - my grandfather's birth certificate and May's death notice which contradict each other with regard to her origins.

[heywood]

Am I right that there is nothing yet found on James Frederick Perrins (husband)?

I wonder if James Frederick the son, was illegitimate and May used her name as a married name, inventing a maiden name?