Charles Edward Dickinson 1850 - 1929.

[ROSJAN]

I am hoping that I can get some help with a Dickinson family that lived Newcastle upon Tyne about 1840 to 1871. Specifically Charles Edward Dickinson, born 1850 Newcastle upon Tyne and died Sydney Australia 1929. His parents were Utrick Walton Dickinson and Margaret Kenyon. Charles supposedly married a Tamar / Tamara, unknown surname, I am unable to find his marriage in either England or Australia, also unable to find when he came to Australia. Their first child Utrick Hobart Dickinson was born 1887 in Sydney. Tamar / Tamara died Sydney 1918. If anyone could give me any help I would be very grateful.
Thanking You,
Rosjan.

[Radcliff]

1851 census,
Shield Street
All Saints,
HO107/2407
Utrick Walton Dickinson,head share broker,aged 37 born Newcastle,
Margaret Dickinson,wife aged 37 ,born Newcastle
Margaret Catherine Kenyon aged 14 step daughter,
Henry Kenyon aged 13 stepson
Alice Kenyon stepdaughter aged 11
Emily Amelia Dickinson aged 5
John Dickinson aged 4
Amy Walton Dickinson aged 2
Charles Edward Dickinson aged 7 months,
1861 census has them in Hood St
Margaret a widow with children,Emily Amy and Charles,
1871,Westmorland St Newcastle Upon Tyne, Margaret a widow with children Emily Amy and Charles who is now an engineer

[Radcliff]

Is this as far as you have followed him,1871


1876  Emily Amelia Dickinson marries at St Nicholas and has a son a year later Urick Groves she is then down in Wales in 1881,with her husband James W Groves ,born Bristol,

1881 Amy W Dickinson is possibly a nurse in Doncaster infirmary,

(Amy Walton) M Barret died June 1881 Barnsley,
(Amy Walton) Liversedge died September 1895 N Bierley,
these two may have no connection at all,

[Radcliff]

As you havnt found a marriage,or havnt the certificate, have you looked for her parents,
Jacob and Tamar in Australia,how many Jacobs and Tamars are there in the census of Australia, a bit long winded I know,without a surname,
one child has the middle name of Hobart,where does that come from,

[Gen List Lass]

On the 1871 census, under the disabilities column for Charles Edward Dickenson is noted "Deaf and dumb not from birth"

However there is a tick in the same column for the man below Charles, the boarder Grieve a telegraph clerk. So whether the disability refers to Grieve or Dickenson is debatable.

[Gen List Lass]

Do you have Charles E and Tama's death certificates?

Australian certificates usually give more info than UK certificates, so maybe helpful.

One of the trees on Ancestry.com gives Tamar's maiden name as Vickers...  there is a Tamar Vickers on the 1871 UK census and Tamar is a kitchen maid at the Northern Counties Institution for the Deaf and Dumb in Jesmond, Newcastle/Tyne. She was born in Alston Cumberland in 1849 and is also noted as "Deaf and Dumb". Seems a coincidence that Charles was also noted as Deaf and Dumb on the 1871 census.

in 1881 Tamar 30 is listed as a servant in Brandling Village, Jesmond, Newcastle/Tyne. Still noted as Deaf and Dumb. not found on the 1891 census.

Is this all just coincidence or is there a theme emerging here? Maybe worth investigating?

Gen in NBL England

Gen in NBL England

[trish1120]

I was going to say a Childs Birth Cert would provide Tamars maiden name.

ALICE Kenyon Christened 11 July 1839, Newcastle Upon Tyne, Northumberland, England
Parents HENRY/MARGARET
(Source Familysearch.Org)

HENRY Kenyon Baptised 17 Sept 1837, All Saints,   Newcastle Upon Tyne, Northumberland
Parents HENRY/MARGARET
Fathers Occp Gentleman
Abode Tyre St
(Source FreeREG)

Marriage;
18 February 1836, All Saints, Newcastle Upon Tyne
Henry KENYON, Bachelor of Alston, Cumberland Parish
Margaret STOREY, Spinster of this Parish
Witnesses, Charles JACKSON/Mary DICKINSON/Robert STOREY

Trish

[Radcliff]

Tamars death certificate in Australia, state her parents as Tamar and Jacob,


The Northern counties school records are held in Newcastle,and her name will be in the admission register at the Discovery if anyone is going into town this week,

[Radcliff]

1851 Census,
Alston,
Cumberland,
HO107/2424
Jacob Vickers,38,lead miner born Nenthead
Elizabeth Vickers,29,born Gainsgill
Mary Vickers,12
Elizabreth 10
Jonathon Vickers,8
Tamar,2
James 2 months
all children born Nenthead