burial records in Walsall England

[dickensfan56]

Carol, in response to #88 I've been thinking the same thing.  My grandparents lost 3 babies, then grandmother lost her husband then died of breast cancer.  Mom left alone at 14 then lost a child of her own.  I always knew mom's life was tragic, but if all our leads are correct, it's even more tragic than before.  I can see how you might just run away.  I'd appreciate your help in a PM.

[carol8353]

I was looking back through our string of emails and noticed that in entry #9 Liz references a marriage between Eileen "M" Pinches and James Haydon whereas in entry #23 Carol says Eileen "W".  Can we confirm which is correct?

The GRO Index does say Eileen M but it's a error as there is nobody called Eillen M Pinches.
But if you order the marriage cert you HAVE to ask for it exactly as the index has it typed.

[acorngen]

Carol,

I have ordered many certs where there is a middle initial and left that middle initial out.  I have never had a problem with receiving them.  In fact unless the middle name is now given in full I never put that initial down

Rob

[carol8353]

Rob,the GRO Instructions say that the form should be completed exactly as the index.
I suppose it depends on how pedantic the person fullfilling the order is?

In the early days when I used to go up to the FRC in Clerkenwell I ordered a cert for my grandad who had 2 middle names. I later discovered when they failed to send it that the 1893 birth index only has him as Henry Albert and not his 3rd very distinctive name.

The cert has it and so do all his later records,Army,Marriage and death!

Carol

[acorngen]

Carol,

I havent looked for a long time at the requirements for the GRO so I accept what you are saying.  I was just stating the way I apply from the GRO
Rob

[dickensfan56]

The form didn't even request a middle name when I filled it out so hopefully it will be accepted.  If not, I'll keep filling them out until I get it right!  I checked my birth certificate and Mom was listed as Eileen Winifred Haydon.  If any of the documents I receive contain her signature I will know then for sure.  She had a very beautiful and distinctive signature/handwriting.  In fact she said she won a handwriting competition in school once.  If I receive her marriage license I'm hoping it will be on it.  If not, I may try to get the birth certificate of the child that died.  Any other suggestions?

[acorngen]

Her signature will be on the marriage cert.  The birth cert will only have the signature of either the mother or father not both.

Carol I just checked the GRO and it doesnt say anywhere that middle names/initials have to be given but I didnt check everything

Rob

[dickensfan56]

Then I hope I filled out the marriage certificate request correctly.  That will be the final piece of the puzzle.  No one could write like mom. It was almost calligraphy. I'll let everyone know when I hear something.  I'm paying for a search of the burial sites and hope I find my grandparents.  If I do, you are all welcome to join me for the laying of the flowers followed by a heck of a party!   

[carol8353]

Diane ,if you're lucky enough to get a photocopy of the cert they signed at the time,then you will get her signature.If not you may well get a marriage cert that has been handwritten by a member of the General Record Office,although they are becoming less common than was the case when I started my family history over 30 years ago.

Once you know which church she married at (by seeing a copy of the cert!) then you could get a photocopy of the original from the Staffs record office.

Let's wait and see what they send first.

Carol