Bilsdon in 1841 Census

[awb]

Also I have just taken your lead on a marriagein 1840 and on the same volume / page 15 257 there are two elizabeths registered one in mt.harbo just like the john record (elizabeth clarke) and market harborough (elizabeth hobbs).
Though looking at the original record I can't see where they goot the maiden name from.

[crowboy97]

Hi,
I have just been trawling the Uppingham Parish Register fiche and not many occurrences of the surname Bilsdon.

Baptism
Mary, daughter of Daniel and Mary Bilsdon 1 March 1819

Burial
Mary Bilsdon 28 January 1823 infant (No. 304)
Daniel Bilsdon 20 February 1823 aged 25 (No.306)

Marriage
John Morris aka John Morris Kipping, bachelor and Elizabeth Bilsdon, widow both OTP by banns 18 June 1827 (No.168) Witness Alice Bilsdon.

Crowboy

[DebbieG]

Hi awb

Yes I am fairly sure you have your family line back correct through Peter Bilsden (b 1865),  his unmarried mother Elizabeth Bilsden (b 1848) to her parents John & Elizabeth.  I have checked them through the various census years and it all seems to work fine.

I should say though that I am not related,  I just like finding things for people,  so although I do have trees on-line they won't help you.

with the bits that Crowboy found I am starting to get a clue as to what might have happened. - Will be back in a bit

 

DebbieG

[DebbieG]

Right,  I have a theory that the Daniel who died in 1823 may have been the father of John born 1816,  at first I thought he would be too young as he was only 25 when he died so born 1798 ish,  but it is possible.

I found a marriage in the IGI

DANIEL BILSDEN
  Spouse:  ELIZABETH CLEAR 
  Marriage:  06 NOV 1815   Loddington, Leicester

then I found this baptism - also IGI

ANN BILSDEN
 Birth:  20 MAY 1821   
 Christening:  17 JUN 1821   Wesleyan Methodist, Oakham, Rutland
  Father:  DANIAL BILSDEN 
  Mother:  ELIZABETH CLEAR 
 

The Weslyan records are only in the IGI from 1816 - 1837 so it is possible that John's baptism was just before this.

From Crowboy we know that Daniel died in 1823

Then there is the marriage in 1827 of Elizabeth Bilsden widow to John Morris (Kipping?)  he seems to have gone under the name of John Morris.  I believe this is Daniel's widow getting remarried.

I have found John Morris and Elizabeth with two sons Joseph (12) and William (11) in 1841 on  Meeting Lane, Uppingham

I think it looks possible,  if you do get the 1840 marriage certificate for John it will hopefully say that his father is Daniel (deceased) - if not we will know my theory is wrong.

 

DebbieG

[DebbieG]

Sadly Elizabeth died in 1850 - buried 29th Jan 1850 in Uppingham aged 59,  so we can't find her in the 1851 census.

I did find her widowed husband John Morris though - still living on Meeting Lane born 1787 London Middlesex,  a Chelsea Pensioner.

John Morris was buried in Uppingham 1st November  1859 aged 72


DebbieG

[JMorris2]

I am looking for the baptism of Elizabeth Bilsdon nee Clear about 1791. Elizabeth married my ggg grandfather, John Morris, in 1827. They had 3 sons, Joseph, William and Thomas who died in 1840 of scarlet fever. Thanks to DebbieG I have now ordered my ggg grandmother's death certificate in 1850.

I have found Daniel and Elizabeth's daughter, Ann Bilsdon, in 1841. She married William Frisby in 1840 in Uppingham and is living in Wing, Rutland with him in 1841 and also living there is William Bilsdon (recorded as Balsdon) aged 25, Frances Bilsdon aged 45 and Frances Bilsdon aged 15. There's about 3 Ann Frisby deaths recorded in Uppingham in 1844 and 1845 so Ann may have died and possibly William remarried.

JMorris2 in Oz

[JMorris2]

Dear Helen,

I could only find 2 John Bilsdons in 1841, one in Ayston, one in Preston. The Preston John is 39 and has a 73yr old John living with him, both Labourers.
The Ayston John, b.1804, is the son of Thomas and Mary.
Your John b.1816 has a son, Daniel, and I'm looking for a Daniel b. abt 1790 so they may be connected. John may have been born to Daniel Bilsdon and Elizabeth Clear (my ggg grandmother) who married in 1815. I've ordered films for their marriage and baptism of their daughter, Ann, b.1821 so hopefully I will find some more Bilsdons soon.
JMorris2

[awb]

wow, you have all made some great progress, I must find time to do some more research, others research makes you want to drive for more.