Desperate Help to find 20th Century Relatives in England Needed ASAP!

[Jan Ann]

Hello All - Hope you are all well on this Sunny Morning in Lancashire

I have posted this quest on the General Board because the search may be countrywide for what I am asking. I know it isnt protocol to look for living relatives - but I dont want details of the living publishing on here - send me Personal Messages if you find anything folks.

My dilemma is that I have promised to help to someone out on a pretty urgent project - unfortunately because of health issues and family dilemmas I am not able to help, because at present, I have no access to the internet. - This post is being typed by my daughter, who I am in contact with via mobile, I can check in now and again to see progress and check e-mail, but that is about it. I do hate to let people down and so that is why I am asking for your kind help. All hands to the pump, so to speak!

I am trying to track down the living relatives of 3 airmen who tragically died during WWII when their RAF plane crashed into a cinema. To see the full story you can read the fund raising leaflet produced by Mick Bradford here http://www.tiveyfamilytree.com/Shottermill.pdf

The Airmen were:
Deaths (all recorded GRO Jul-Aug-Sep)
Flying Officer William Michael Esdaile Winter (Pilot)                           age 22 (1920)
(civil death registration – Vol no. 2a, page no. 544)
Pilot Officer John Horace Lindley  (Squadron Adjutant)                     age 34 (1908)
(civil death registration – Vol no. 2a, page no. 545)
Flight Sergeant Wilfred Edward Cleall**  (Radar Operator)                age 27 (1914)
(civil death registration – Vol no. 2a, page no. 545)
**b Wilfred's birth name was Wilfred Ernest Newton, Long Ashton, Somerset (Oct-Nov-Dec) 1914

The other information on the mens' you will find here: http://www.tiveyfamilytree.com/shottermillrelativesearch.html  so as not to compromise Rootschat privacy policy.

If anyone can help with any snippets of info, contact numbers - just anything    The aim is to have some living relatives present at the unveiling of the memorial.  Please post your replies but be careful of mentioning the living - contact me by PM instead and I will pass these on to Mick

Thank you all in anticipation - your time is appreciated.
Kind Regards
Jan Tivey

[Hackstaple]

Esdaile Winter is likely to be  a family name and a quick google shows several of them including one in Australia in 1931.

[*Sandra*]

Hi,

1962 - sister Mary was unmarried. (Born 1924 Eastbourne - mothers maiden name Bettinson)

The probate for the mother of William Michael Esdaile Winter -  Gladys Stovin Winter who died 25 th September 1962 was left to Westminster Bank and Mary Maclean Winter (Spinster)

The Rev Ernest E winter had died 8 April 1958 Eastbourne - probate to Westminster Bank - no clues.

Sandra

[*Sandra*]

The sister appears to have died unmarried - Mary Maclean Winter born 24 September 1924 - died June 1975 Oxford. Oxfordshire. (Aged 50 years) 
Probates only go as far as 1966 at the moment 

Sandra

[jackhonour]

I've had a look on Mundia and I have found John Horace Lindley in 3 trees. One of those trees seems to be made by his nephew/niece of something. I will contact all 3 and ask them to give me their email address or phone number. When I receive an email address or phone number, I will PM it to you.

Jack

[*Sandra*]

Gladys Bettinson had a brother Frederick (Uncle to William and Mary)

Frederick Liddel Bettinson died 19 May 1962 Worcestershire England. 30 Causey farm Road. Haley Green. Halesowen - probated granted to the widow Phoebe Jane Bettinson (maiden name Chase)
Frederick and Phoebe were married 1906 West Bromwich. Staffordshire. Had 1 daughter Gladys Maria Bettinson aged 2 years in 1911.
Possible marriage for Gladys Bettinson in 1932 Stourbridge to Edward A Roberts.
Possibilities of births to the couple - can't be specific 
Looks like Gladys died Stourbridge Dec 1972 - no probate to help. 

Sandra
 

[*Sandra*]

Ernest E Winter had a brother Cecil Esdaile Winter - Married at Blaby 1916 to Gladys M Corah.
Cecil died 16 July 1964 - Probate to his wife Gladys Marie Winter and company Chairman Robert Wessel. (Entry recorded by a private member tree - have sent a message)
2 female births to this couple.
The daughter Pamela (cousin to Mary) born Sept 1917 married John Peel Weston Samuelson (born 13 Sept 1917) 15 Sept 1942. Couple had 2 sons before divorce. Both Pamela and John are now deceased.

Son Nigel Esdaile Samuelson was born 7 September 1944 - died 9 April 2010
Married twice, had a daughter and 2 sons with second wife Angela Margaret Samways  (now deceased 1999) The first born daughter has Esdaile as part of her middle name.


Cecil appears in the cricket archives :-
http://cricketarchive.com/Archive/Players/33/33994/33994.html

Ernest also had another brother Claude Esdaile Winter born 1882 who died 23 June 1959 Bexhill Hospital, Sussex but the probate for him did not give any further clues.

Another brother of Ernest - Gerald Esdaile Winter (nee Foster) born 1877 died 17 January 1923, probate to his wife Gertrude Searley Winter. Gerald had married 1917 -

Sandra

[jsamuelson]

Hello Sandra et al - I have replied to your message on Ancestry. Pamela was my grandmother, and so William is a previously unknown first cousin and I will be most pleased to donate or assist in any way. Her sister is also still alive, with daughters, and I will let them know about this also.

I will also get in touch with the Maclean clan, as by his grandmother Jessie, William is part of the clan.

Regards, John

[*Sandra*]

Hi John,

Thanks for your speedy response - ancestry is pretty slow - will look forward to your message arriving in due course.

Am sure Mick Bradford will be delighted a relative has been found.

Regards
Sandra