Desperate Help to find 20th Century Relatives in England Needed ASAP!

[dawnsh]

Hi Jan

There is a probate record for Wilfred Ernest Newton Cleall............administration at Llandudno
12 Jan 1943 to a Ada Emily Cleall spinster............Mike might find if he sent for the will
it could give some clues to any rellies

sandie

I know you have already said no to this but there isn't a will, just a letter of administration.

However if you did pay the £6 you would get an address (albeit now out of date) for Ada

[Jan Ann]

Thanks Sandie, it's a great idea, but as I said before - timing is of the essence really - the ceremony is 22nd September so it quite possibly might not arrive by then.

Wilfred Cleall (b Newton) is the only one we have to find a rellie for now, so I will try and get around to building a tree for Ada Emily and see what we can come up with. Im almost certain (as Mo says) that one of the Cleall brothers is the father - probably Wilfred, he and Ada may have lived together for a while after the war - he married in 1920 - so he and Ada may have been together during and after the War - then he met someone else, Ada changed their names to Cleall - possibly to avoid embarrassment.

I will build a tree and see if anything comes up.

Keep suggesting folks, because every little snippet of info counts

Cheers
Jan 

[sandiep]

Hi Jan

was Dawn that repeated the will bit not me

Have you been in contact with the person with the tree for Wilfred Cleall  I see his brother Alfred
Ernest died 1914.............wonder if it was him that was father?

[sandiep]

If Ada is the daughter of  Henry & Sarah...........on the latest census her occupation is assistant licensed victualler.......... which is the trade of Alfred Ernest & his brother who managed a billiards room.

[Jan Ann]

Whoops!  Sorry Sandie - I actually looked at Dawn's profile pic n then thought - another Sandie, must remember - sometimes I can only be described as a daft sod 

I did contact the person with the tree - but through ancestry not facebook - reason being that facebook now charges you for messages to people who aren't on your friends list - otherwise it puts the message into a separate inbox and that inbox does not alert you to the message - I think it is to stop spammers. I havent heard back from him.

Been trying to put a tree together tonight but just cant concentrate - had a very busy week, combined with illness - not good  Think it's time for an early night so I will be fresh in the morn 

I know that Alfred was killed in the War 1914 but he was also married in 1911 - I think it was Wilfred's child - if he also went to war, I think he returned but they didnt marry, for whatever reason, but Ada changed both her's and her son's name from Newton to Cleall - Wilfred Snr then married in 1920 to someone else, but Ada kept the name - That's my theory 

I am going to have a good look at the children of Henry and Sarah - 6 of them were alive in 1911, according to the census so any offspring of these children would be Wilfred's first cousins - some of them may have descendants alive - fingers crossed

Cheers
Jan

[sandiep]

let me know if you want anything looking up............not facebook though never use it its the one
thing I do get annoyed when so many things want you to use it.........
sandie

[Jan Ann]

Thanks Sandie 

I do need any help I can get    I have started on the tree but not got very far, as I have the concentration of a gold fish at the moment - new meds - not good 

There were 6 children - all born Bath - Henry John and William Arthur 1868, Arthur Victor 1874, Herbert George 1876 and Blanche Mary Kate 1879, Ada Emily being the youngest.

I started on Henry - I think he is in Middlesex in 1911 - with a wife "Maryann"  (?) and two children Elsie (who I think is Edith Kate E born 1895 Bath) and Horace born c1902 in Enfield.

That's about it so far - was going to bed an hour ago - but have been chatting on the phone for an hour - well listening anyway (my mum)   

So anything you can turn up will help, (and is appreciated) 
Cheers & Nightall
Jan

[sandiep]

I tried Herbert George Newton  m Eliza Elizabeth Rann
son Herbert Arthur Newton b 1901 Bristol d 1940 M Elsie Dora Alexander Turner
daughter Mollie Elizabeth Newton b1928 d2010 m Alan John Hinton East 1925 d 1982
son........will pm as he is I hope alive with a tree on Ancestry also a lady with photos
Herbert Arthur had a brother Royston George b 1911 d 1969 he married in1932
to Marjorie Brookman but cant see any children.

sandie

[Jan Ann]

Thanks for the information Sandie - I have sent you a reply to the PM you sent me.

Your help is much appreciated.
Cheers
Jan