Mary Degan Revised

[Scratch And Patch]

     I have confirmation from Ancestry that Mary was b. Rupert's Land, northern Ontario near a small village &/ or reserve called Nakina. Mary's father was Joseph Degan b. ( est ) 1800 Quebec,
was married to Adelaide Tiho. Adelaide's father may have been Louis Tiho.

   Joseph's father was Jean Baptiste Deganne b. 26 Jan 1784 Quebec - d. 1837, Sault - au - Re'collet, Quebec, married to Joseph's mother Louise Huneau. Jean was also married to Marie
Suzanne Poupart Lafleur, b. 18 Oct 1779.

   Jean's parents were Jean Baptiste Deganne b. 1753 Quebec married to Louise Luineau b. 1753
Quebec, they married 29 Apr 1783, Quebec.

   Jean's parents were Joseph Francois Degannes b. 29 Mar 1704 Port Royal, Nova Scotia - d. 3 Jul
1788 Montreal, married to Marie Catherine Menard Fontaine.

   Joseph's parents were Louise Degannes b. 1666 Buxeuil, Indre, Centre, France - d. 1714 Rouen,
Veine, Normandie, Framce. Married to Marguerite Leneuf deValliere b. 1680 Beaubassin, Acadie, New Brunswick - d. 24 Apr 1760 Saint Maurice, Quebec. They married 5 Aug 1700 Rivere, St. Jean,
Acadie, New Brunswick.

   Louise's parents were Louis Degannes b. 1620 Renes, Ille - et - Valiaine, Bretagne, France - d.
25 Nov 1684 Poizay, Viene, Portou - Charentes, France. His wife Marie Francois LeBloy b. 1629
Lot - et - Garonne, Aquitaine, France - d. 11 Feb 1689 Poizay, Le Joli, France. They married 26 Jul 1656 Touraine, Indre - et - Loire, Centre, France.

   I am hoping this post will lead me to Mary Degans birth & more information about her parents Joseph Degan & Adelaide Tiho. I know Mary was married to William Dodman b. 1821 Snettisham Norfolk Eng. who emigrated into Canada. They married 1841 All Saints Church, Brantford, Ontario, Canada. Mary died 1874 Thamesville, Zone Township, Ontario, Canada ( now Chatham - Kent ).
Mary R.I.P. Sherman Cemetery, Thamesville, Kent County, Chatham - Kent, Ontario.

Jeff     
 

[cosmac]

You've gone quickly from no knowledge in this post
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=657792.msg5037323#msg5037323
to certainties in this post.  Do you have any proof that the marriage record given as an example in the previous post ties in with your Mary?  Do you have the 1841 marriage record for William and Mary as that is an important first step in tracing backward?  In my opinion you are currently making some very big assumptions without connecting all the dots.

[cosmac]

http://automatedgenealogy.com/census52/SplitView.jsp?id=17380
This is a link to the 1852 census showing William Dodman and wife Mary and children.  The entries for place of birth in this page are detailed.  William is shown as Norfolk and his children Bleinhem - other enumerators would only have entered England or Ontario.  Good news for you as it gives information on Mary's place of birth.  Does it read Cranbro C.W. (Canada West).  Not sure.  Something for you to follow up on. 

In your private PM to me you stated that "ancestry confirmed Mary Degan was born in Rupert's Land"  Not sure what source on ancestry you're quoting that was detailed enough to include her father "Joseph was either a Fur Trapper/Trader &/or Courier du Bois for the Hudson Bay Company up in Rupert's Land."

I know it's frustrating to hit a brick wall and not be able to find definitive confirmation of someone's parents.  In your PM you said that the Brant OGS did not have any other information on Mary except that the marriage took place in 1841 - no information about parents or siblings.  What you have are Mary's descendants and her census information.  From that how can you make the leap that Joseph was her father and that the marriage found by markmccormack665 in the previous thread of Joseph Degan to Adelaid Tiho is connected to your family line.  You do not have the necessary information to make that leap.

Have you tried contacting the Anglican archives to find a copy of the original marriage record.  It might not show parentage of the couple but witnesses might provide a clue.
http://www.anglican.ca/resources/gsarchives/incanada/

Did the cemetery keep records on internments from that era?  Is that a source worth investigating to see if they recorded parents names?

This is your family history and if you disagree with what I believe are errors in your methodology I am most willing to drop the issue and let you continue on your journey.  One final note of caution.  You quoted Mundia as a source because it is affiliated with ancestry.  Be cautious about the information found on family trees and make sure you verify it yourself with actual source data.  There are many well researched family trees and others not to be trusted. 

[Jacquie in Canada]

http://automatedgenealogy.com/census52/SplitView.jsp?id=17380
This is a link to the 1852 census showing William Dodman and wife Mary and children.  The entries for place of birth in this page are detailed.  William is shown as Norfolk and his children Bleinhem - other enumerators would only have entered England or Ontario.  Good news for you as it gives information on Mary's place of birth.  Does it read Cranbro C.W. (Canada West).  Not sure.  Something for you to follow up on. 

I was looking at that entry at Ancestry and Wm had been mistranscribed. There was a correction entered that said William's wife was Mary DeGraw. The person said the source was family records. There was a marriage for a Robert Dodman whose parents were William Dodman and Mary DeGraw at Ancestry as well.

There is also a correction in the Drouin Collection that was submitted regarding the Degan/Tiho marriage Jeff referenced. The name changes were Amable Seraphin DeGane and Adelaide Tetro (Tetrault). There are baptisms in the Drouin Collection for children of Amable and Adelaide starting with a son named Amable in 1826, a daughter Adelaide in 1827 and a daughter Rose in 1829. This couple with a number of children are living in New York State in 1850. This is rather conclusive proof that the "Degan/Tiho" marriage is not connected to your Mary as they were in Quebec when she was born.

Jacquie