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Re: August Bartels - Seaman
« Reply #9 on: Monday 02 September 13 10:39 BST (UK) »
Thank you for the 1900 census information Beg.  I will see if that takes me somewhere.

And thank you JM, I didn't realise if he was on an electoral roll he had been naturalised.  I think I did find him on a couple, so I will take that further too.

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Anne
Scotland: Stewart, Smith, Edward, Barron, Macdonald, Sinclair, Millar/Miller, Ross, Salmon(d), Cuthel, Cuthill, Macalister, McAlaster, McAllister, Forsyth, Haddow, Todd, Aitken, Gartshore, Mackie, Strang
England: Lucas, Parkinson, Nicholls
Ireland: Keys, McAuliffe, Achilles, Fenner/Fannin, Halpin
Germany: Achilles, Bartels, Barthold, Pralow, Schreiber, Kloth, Cords

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Re: August Bartels - Seaman
« Reply #10 on: Monday 02 September 13 10:49 BST (UK) »
Yes ... Until 1970s Electoral Rolls in Australia are for British Subjects aged 21 and over... Then lowered to 18/over from 1973/4 ... and of course Aust citizens from 1949 and new enrollments from 1986 available only for Au citizens aged 18/over   

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Re: August Bartels - Seaman
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 03 September 13 00:36 BST (UK) »
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Re: August Bartels - Seaman
« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 03 September 13 03:00 BST (UK) »
Quote from: AlannaGrace
Details on his marriage say his father was Charles Bartels and his mother Miyarna Pralow


Hello...

It may be wishful thinking on my part but here's a possible listing for August and his family.

Germany, Mecklenburg-Schwerin Census 1867 - Malchow: 5157 (S.A. MALCHOW)

Image 175 of 205 (Right-hand page only)
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18101-114012-19

Image 176 of 205
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18101-113660-97

Image 177 of 205 (Left-hand page only)
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18101-112193-39


No proof at all but...

1) Carl anglicised might be Charles

2) Mariane, if pronounced Ma-ri-ah-na, might be Miyarna

3) The census district is Malchow. This is the birthplace of "Frau Bartels formely Pralow", mentioned in my earlier 1900 census post.

4) The August BARTELS from the 1867 census has two older sisters called Mathilde and Auguste. Also one older brother called Ludwig. Forty years later your August BARTELS living in Queensland has two daughters called Mathilda and Augusta. Also one son called August Ludwig.
 
Might be worth looking for an 1855-ish BARTELS to PRALOW marriage in Malchow.

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CLIP has indexed an August BARTELS. It's fairly expensive but it might be worth going the Maritime History Archive route.

BARTELS - CLIP
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0vzm/

Maritime History Archive
http://www.mun.ca/mha/

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Re: August Bartels - Seaman
« Reply #13 on: Tuesday 03 September 13 09:10 BST (UK) »
Hi Beg, thank you for all your detective work.  The 1867 census definitely looks promising.  You are right with the Mathilde and Ludwig.  I would think that too.  I will try to get to the National Archives to look up the Naturalisation records.

Anne
Scotland: Stewart, Smith, Edward, Barron, Macdonald, Sinclair, Millar/Miller, Ross, Salmon(d), Cuthel, Cuthill, Macalister, McAlaster, McAllister, Forsyth, Haddow, Todd, Aitken, Gartshore, Mackie, Strang
England: Lucas, Parkinson, Nicholls
Ireland: Keys, McAuliffe, Achilles, Fenner/Fannin, Halpin
Germany: Achilles, Bartels, Barthold, Pralow, Schreiber, Kloth, Cords

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Re: August Bartels - Seaman
« Reply #14 on: Thursday 05 September 13 00:53 BST (UK) »
Hi again...

Have joined the "Forum zur Ahnenforschung" website (German equivalent to Rootschat) and have asked for advice regarding the census entries.

Fingers crossed (or "thumbs pressed" as the Germans apparently say :-)

http://forum.genealogy.net/index.php?page=Thread&threadID=59369

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Re: August Bartels - Seaman
« Reply #15 on: Thursday 05 September 13 08:44 BST (UK) »
Anne,

A 20 yr old August Bartels appears as an AB on the crew list of the Abbey Cowper out of Liverpool for the period 17 Jan 1880 to 24 Nov 1880. His previous vessel is listed as "Pagte Manfe?"

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Re: August Bartels - Seaman
« Reply #16 on: Tuesday 10 September 13 02:53 BST (UK) »
Hi again...

Totally appreciate that none of the following will help answer your original question, namely tracing the movements of August BARTELS, but for the record here's a summary of the thread I started over on the German equivalent of Rootschat.

Facts first. Guesswork to follow.

1) Both the 1894 and 1896 "Official Directory" of people living in Rostock list a C BARTELS, factory worker (fabrikarbeiter), and his wife Marianna née (geb.) PRALOW. They moved there in 1873.

1896 Official Directory (Officielles Verzeichnis)
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0w1p/

2) Both the 1900 and 1902 "Directory of Residents" list the widow (Wwe) of C BARTELS, Blacksmith (Schmiede) living at 51 Feldstrasse. This is the same address as given in the 1900 census by Frau Anna BARTELS geb PRALOW.

1900 Directory of Residents (Einwohnerverzeichnis)
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0w1n/

1900 Census (Haushaltungslisten) - Image 588 of 891
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-11757-67603-43

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Guesswork...

- From 1877 onwards several of the annual "Directory of Residents" for Rostock list a Carl BARTELS, assistant blacksmith (schmiedegeselle) living at various addresses on Feldstrasse. Perhaps this is Carl and Anna/Marianna.

- Possibly "factory worker" (fabrikarbeiter) could also be translated as a "foundry worker".

- Carl last appears in the 1896 Directory. In 1900 Marianna is listed as a widow. So presumably Carl's death is between 1896 and 1900.

- In 1908 and 1910 the "Directory of Residents" list the widow "M BARTELS geb PRALOW" and "Marie BARTELS geb PRALOW" living at 15 Kasernenstrasse and 72 Kasernenstrasse respectively.

The 1912 Directory lists a widow by the name of "Mirjahne BARTELS" living at 28 Borwinstrasse. Annoyingly there is no "geb PRALOW". As a widow she seems to have changed address several times so I'm guessing that this Mirjahne is another name for Anna/Marianna/Marie.

1912 Directory of Residents (Einwohnerverzeichnis)
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0w1w/

- There is no listing for a widow BARTELS in the 1914 Directory so Anna/Marianna/Marie/Mirjahne may have died, probably between 1912 and 1914.

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You can purchase a copy of the record of death for Carl and Marianna from the Rostock City Archives. These records have the potential to be very informative depending, of course, on the informant's knowledge. Unfortunately as you don't know the exact date of death you'll be charged a research fee which will bump the bill up to 50-plus euro.

Having said that, it's free to wander into the City Archives and do your own research. I don't suppose you live anywhere near North-East Germany.

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It sort of feels as if this couple are your g-g-grandparents. No real way of knowing though until you start spending money.

Personally I would put the Rostock info on hold until you check out the BARTELS family from Malchow mentioned in the 1867 census. (See reply no.12 earlier in this thread.)

To do that it looks like you'll have to hire the Malchow microfilms through your local LDS Family History Centre. Have you used a FHC before. Happy to advise if you want.

Kirchenbuch, 1698-1888
Evangelische Kirche Malchow
https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/214075


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A big thank you to Zwobot for taking the time to help out on the German thread :)

Regards
Beg

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Re: August Bartels - Seaman
« Reply #17 on: Tuesday 10 September 13 22:11 BST (UK) »
Hi Beg
Thank you very much for all the time you have put into this for me. I am very grateful for your help.

I am in Brisbane, Queensland Australia so it's not easy to pop over to Germany! 

I have heard of the LDS FHC's and although googling shows there are some in Brisbane the information appears to be outdated and a few months ago when trying to go further on my Scottish side i had no luck finding their location here. I will try again today to see if I can find one and if they have the resources here to search records

Thanks again
Anne