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Re: Weir Family Belfast
« Reply #27 on: Friday 06 September 13 22:37 BST (UK) »
Thanks MF Gilbert, good luck with your search. Yes it's hard to find details if you don't have the initial little bits of vital info, but it looks like the you might have some luck with the replies people have already posted for you. If I come across anything I will post it here for you. Best of luck searching charles girl.
Weir, Coyle, Ruth, Dilworth

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« Reply #28 on: Saturday 07 September 13 18:41 BST (UK) »
Thanks charles girl.  Yes, these posts have been very useful.  I've made my own thread to figure out the various details I was struggling with, so that I don't continue to clog up your thread:

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=660453.msg5061882#msg5061882

It turns out the will that caused all the confusion actually mentions Minnie Weir as well as a Mary Gilbert, so there was two of them.  I'll let you know if I find out a few more details of the Weirs, just in case you one day find a link to Minnie.

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Re: Weir Family Belfast
« Reply #29 on: Tuesday 25 August 15 17:19 BST (UK) »
Hi
I'm looking at a certificate of marriage of my great grandmother.  Her name was
Rachel Weir and she married Robert Watters on 14 May 1892 at St Anne's Parish Church, Belfast,  the signature of the witnesses are Hugh McCullough and Lizzie Weir. 
My grandmother was Rachel Watters and she married George Bruce.  They lived in 29 Foreman Street, Shankill area, Belfast.
Hope this is helpful.

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Re: Weir Family Belfast
« Reply #30 on: Wednesday 02 September 15 02:18 BST (UK) »
Hi Anita
Thanks for sharing your information on your great grandmother. My mum (who is 89) feels the name Watters is familar for her great aunt that lived off the Shankill Rd. This aunt had two children a daughter and son. The daughter was oldest child. Mum has always thought that her grandmother Elizabeth Weir might not have been married and that when she died she was in her 70's however her death cert has her at just 60. Both mum's mum Elizabeth Weir (known as Sisssy) and her grandmother Elizabeth Weir (known as Lizzie) never spoke of her grandfather who on the marriage cert and Lizzie's death cert has his name being James Weir. I haven't any hard evidence that he exsisted or if my great, grandmother Elizabeth Lizzie Weir had my grandmother Elizabeth Sissy Weir out of wedlock. My grandmother Sissy always said she was born in Dundalk. When my great, grandmother Lizzie passed away 1937, mum went with her mother (Sissy) to this aunt's house off the shankill rd to let her know. Mum says this woman was a not that tall and carried alittle bit of weight. Mum says this lady lived in a house that was well decorated and that she kept pigs. They were presbyterian. Mum says she never remembers her grandmother (Lizzie) wearing a  wedding ring, but was very religious. There was only one photo of my grandmother (Sissy) which got destroyed in the fire that burnt the family home down in Connaught Street, Belfast in the early 1970's. She was dressed in long black skirt, white frilly blouse and big bow in her hair. There was no photos of my great, great grandmother Lizzie but she kept her long hair up until she died in a bun. There is a 1911 census record with people fitting what could be a connection but because I can't find solid evidence that this is them I can only speculate till I can prove this. Will keep you posted if I can find anymore information. Charmaine
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« Reply #31 on: Wednesday 02 September 15 06:31 BST (UK) »
Posting this to see if anyone can debunk it. Coming at this from a different angle, I looked for a child called Elizabeth (or variants) with a father called James and a mother with the surname Weir.  I happened across an Elizabeth Hutchinson who was born on 23 May 1902, the key pieces of information being that father James Hutchinson was a signalman, mother's name was Lizzie Weir, and the address was 10 Capstone Street, Belfast.

Firstly, I have been unable to find a James Hutchinson marriage to an  Elizabeth (or variants) Weir.  Secondly, the closest James Hutchinson (a signalman) I can find in the 1901 census is this one in Symons Street, Belfast, he was married to Jemima Rainey in Armagh in 1879:

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Saint_Anne_s_Ward_Belfast/Symons_Street/953885/

The 1901 census offers up no immediate clues regarding 10 Capstone Street, the residents are a Robert Gillian/Gillan and Lizzie McCollum, the 1901 street directory confirms their residence at number 10:

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Windsor/Capstone_Street/965737/

Is Elizabeth Weir properly Elizabeth Hutchinson, illegitimate child of signalman James?  Can anyone with fresh eyes eliminate this from the running?

Edited to add:  BTW, note that James Hutchinson and family in the 1911 census are living near Dundalk:

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Louth/Dundalk_Rural/Marshes_Upper/577761/

Could this have got mixed up in family anecdote and explain why it is thought that Elizabeth could have been born in Dundalk?

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Re: Weir Family Belfast
« Reply #32 on: Wednesday 02 September 15 09:52 BST (UK) »
Just to note, Belfast City Council has burial records which might indicate that James and Jemima Hutchinson returned to Belfast, last residence 97 Omeath Street in East Belfast:

https://ssl.belfastcity.gov.uk/burialsearch/burialSearch.aspx

However, while the names and ages are in the ballpark, the will calendar index entries refer to James being a builder / driller, so I would keep an open mind on them:

Hutchinson Jemima of 97 Omeath Street Belfast married woman died 9 January 1933 Probate Belfast 1 September to James Hutchinson retired builder. Effects £314 13s. 1d.

Hutchinson James of 97 Omeath Street Belfast retired driller died 11 January 1940 Administration W/A Belfast 14 February to Annie Lamb widow. Effects £595 7s. 11d.

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Re: Weir Family Belfast
« Reply #33 on: Wednesday 02 September 15 18:43 BST (UK) »
Hi there, why is this in "Antrim Completed Look up Requests" where it is unlikely to receive the optimal viewership? 


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Re: Weir Family Belfast
« Reply #34 on: Wednesday 02 September 15 20:31 BST (UK) »
because it's an old post from 2013 that has been resurrected by Anita Downey
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Re: Weir Family Belfast
« Reply #35 on: Thursday 03 September 15 03:46 BST (UK) »
Thanks for this, what I was trying to understand from the OP, is why it is marked as completed (presumably they requested it so) since they don't yet have a definitive answer to their original query. It was by pure chance that I was logged in at the right time to pick this up in the list of latest topic posts on the home page and was able to post a new lead which may or may not be fruitful.  While I would routinely look at the Antrim Board (and other Irish Boards) to assist folk, I would never routinely look at completed requests.