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Re: Error in death record
« Reply #27 on: Saturday 31 August 13 22:43 BST (UK) »
As far as I know, at that time, both parties would have to have been Catholic for the marriage to take place in a Catholic church but baptism is a separate matter- one parent needed to be Catholic. In more recent times the non-Catholic parent had to promose that any children of the marriage had to be raised as Catholic but not sure that rule dates back to 1800s.
It's even possible that the children were baptised in their father's religion and that the mother had them baptised in the catholic church after his death.
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Re: Error in death record
« Reply #28 on: Saturday 31 August 13 23:06 BST (UK) »
Does that mean mab that the marriage may have been held in a registers office and was not in the church ?  For the children to be baptised Catholic then the parents had to be married later in the church so..where would one get the church record after all this time ?

A Civil Marriage is always done in a registry office or it's equivalent.

I always assumed that James and Mary Ann didn't marry in a church because of the difference in religion....hence a civil marriage. You could write to the parish church in Burt...I can't recall the name at the moment.

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Census information is Crown copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

Inishowen: Meenamullaghan (Big Hill), Foffenagh (Rock), Illies and area...mainly McCallion, Doherty, Bradley, Grant, Devlin
Kilmacrenan: Gortnacorrib....Bonner
Scotland: Bonar, Boner Bonner etc
Conwal: Kirkstown.....Toner, Parke
Derry City: Bonner, McGowan, McGilloway, McElwee, Bradley
Omagh: Bradley
Fanad Penninsular, Donegal.....McBride, Friel, Fielty
Sligo: McGowan

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Re: Error in death record
« Reply #29 on: Saturday 31 August 13 23:54 BST (UK) »
The marriage between James Henderson and Mary Anne M’Laughlin was registered in the civil records in Londonderry, 1876 Volume 7, page 193. If you order a copy of that certificate, either from GRONI in Belfast or GRO Roscommon, you will find out exactly where the marriage took place and who officiated.

James Henderson’s death in 1884 is registered in Inishowen Apr – Jun 1884, volume 2, page 99, with the age recorded as 70 on familysearch. Again, if you order a copy of that certificate you will be able to judge for yourself whether there is any confusion over the age. (Which was simply the informant’s best guess).
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Re: Error in death record
« Reply #30 on: Sunday 01 September 13 00:24 BST (UK) »
Thanks for that info. Elwyn !  I will have to do that . I can check online for the parish church in Burt mab if there is a need to be in touch with them.

 I hope one source tells me his age and place of birth but probably not.
 Thanks to you too Aghadowey !


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Re: Error in death record
« Reply #31 on: Sunday 01 September 13 10:25 BST (UK) »
Marriage records on civil certificates do not list birthplace and age is likely to be record as 'full age' unless under 21 years. Haven't come across an Irish church record yet that records birthplace either.
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Re: Error in death record
« Reply #32 on: Monday 02 September 13 20:17 BST (UK) »
Well, I can certainly dispell part of the family myth- there are no bishops in the Presbyterian Church. If he was Church of Ireland, then there are records of clergy (as with Presbyterian ministers).

I was interested in the records of clergy that you mentioned. Are they available online?

I wonder if there are any Hendersons listed in the time period Wee Mamie is investigating.

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Census information is Crown copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

Inishowen: Meenamullaghan (Big Hill), Foffenagh (Rock), Illies and area...mainly McCallion, Doherty, Bradley, Grant, Devlin
Kilmacrenan: Gortnacorrib....Bonner
Scotland: Bonar, Boner Bonner etc
Conwal: Kirkstown.....Toner, Parke
Derry City: Bonner, McGowan, McGilloway, McElwee, Bradley
Omagh: Bradley
Fanad Penninsular, Donegal.....McBride, Friel, Fielty
Sligo: McGowan

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Re: Error in death record
« Reply #33 on: Monday 02 September 13 22:04 BST (UK) »
The only protestant denomination in Ireland that has an Episcopal structure (bishops etc) that I am aware of is the Church of Ireland. Current Rectors, Vicars, Bishops etc are listed in Crockfords Clerical directory but the current version – which is on-line-  would not contain details of someone ordained in the 1800s.

To research that you would need a paper copy from the 1800s (PRONI in Belfast have some, but I do not know for what years.). Alternatively you could try e-mailing the Representative Church Body in Dublin to see if they can assist:

http://ireland.anglican.org/
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Re: Error in death record
« Reply #34 on: Monday 02 September 13 23:06 BST (UK) »
Thanks Elwny  :)
Census information is Crown copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

Inishowen: Meenamullaghan (Big Hill), Foffenagh (Rock), Illies and area...mainly McCallion, Doherty, Bradley, Grant, Devlin
Kilmacrenan: Gortnacorrib....Bonner
Scotland: Bonar, Boner Bonner etc
Conwal: Kirkstown.....Toner, Parke
Derry City: Bonner, McGowan, McGilloway, McElwee, Bradley
Omagh: Bradley
Fanad Penninsular, Donegal.....McBride, Friel, Fielty
Sligo: McGowan

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Re: Error in death record
« Reply #35 on: Thursday 19 September 13 10:48 BST (UK) »
Records on rootsireland have been transcribed - marriage records do not have place of marriage - only the district that the marriage was registered in. They do not state if named father is deceased (this information is sometimes on the original). Death records (and some marriage records) do not state status of person i.e. widowed, married or single. All useful information to genealogists. Best to get original record from Letterkenny or Roscommon.