Need help searching for the Shadwell family.

[Ladyhawk]

Now it seems Charles was from Devizes and then moved to Hampshire and then Canada and then sometime after his children were married moved back to Surrey.

Do you know the date of all the marriages of his children ?

[irishdragon85]

Sadly I don't although Ellen had to have married Edward Hanify sometime before 1917 because that is the year my Grandmother was born. And Ellen and Edward were married by the time she came along.

[Ladyhawk]

Mm.... something puzzling me as Helen / Bessie SHADWELL born IRELAND

Detroit Border Crossings and Passenger and Crew Lists, 1905-1957

Helen Shadwell 43 Birthplace: Inneskillen Ireland
Arrival Date:   13 Jun 1917
Race/Nationality:   Irish   
Port of Arrival:   Detroit, Michigan
Accompanied by:   Daughter Bessie
Departure Contact:   Husband Chas Shadwell Lake Show Road
Arrival Contact:   Son-in-law Edw Hanify

Name:   Helen & Bessie Shadwell
Arrival Date:   13 Jan 1918   
Port of Arrival:   Detroit, Michigan   

Helen Shadwell 1873 Ireland occ Nurse WIDOW
Arrival Date:   Sep 1922
Port of Arrival:   International Falls, Minnesota, United States
Residence Country:   Canada
Race/Nationality:   Irish
Nearest relative daughter Mrs W T or E Davies 29 Billiar St Toronto Ont.

Sorry got to go but will take a look tomorrow

[irishdragon85]

That is intriguing as well. I knew my Grandmother had some connection to Ireland but i had just assumed that that came from Ellen's Husband Edward Hanify. And I know there is a connection to Surrey somewhere through Charles because I found a letter written from one of my grandmother's relatives in Surrey related to Charles thanking her for her visit to them when she was in her late teens.

[Ladyhawk]

Sadly I don't although Ellen had to have married Edward Hanify sometime before 1917 because that is the year my Grandmother was born. And Ellen and Edward were married by the time she came along.

Marriage 16 May 1915 York
Helen Rose Louise Shadwell age 19
Father Name:   Chas Shadwell Mother ELLEN Hook
Spouse Name:   Edward Hanify age 31 born US father John mother Mary Quirk

Helen Rose Louise Hanify age 19 England
father Chas Shadwell Humber Bay ONT.
Arrival Date:   Jun 1915 Port of Arrival:   Port Huron, Michigan, United States
Residence Country:   Canada

The  info. ties in with your post naming Ellen Rose Louisa Shadwell’s husband as Ed Hanify
 1901 census gives Ellen’s  mothers name as SARAH born c1870 Alderney YET the info. below gives her name as HELEN born c1874 IRELAND 

previously given but thought it easier to view if they are altogether

Detroit Border Crossings and Passenger and Crew Lists, 1905-1957

Helen Shadwell age 43 (b1874) Birthplace: Inneskillen Ireland
Arrival Date:   13 Jun 1917   
Port of Arrival:   Detroit, Michigan
Accompanied by:   Daughter Bessie
Departure Contact:   Husband Chas Shadwell Lake Show Road
Arrival Contact:  Son-in-law Edw Hanify

Helen & Bessie Shadwell Arrival Date:   13 Jan 1918    Port of Arrival:   Detroit, Michigan   

I’m assuming that Mrs W E/T EDWARDS is daughter Cecilia and again

Helen Shadwell 1873 Ireland occ Nurse WIDOW
Arrival Date:   Sep 1922 Port of Arrival:   International Falls, Minnesota, United States
Residence Country:   Canada
Nearest relative daughter Mrs W T or E Davies 29 Billiar St Toronto Ont.

And from this marriage info. daughter Cecilia goes by the name of BESSIE

Marriage 10 Jun 1919 York
Cecilia Freda (Bessie) Shadwell age 18 Portsmouth England
Father Charles Shadwell Mother Helen Hooke
Spouse Name:   Wm Edward Davies age 19 Toronto Ontario
Spouse Father Name:   Thomas Davies Spouse Mother Name:   Mary Evans

Canadian Passenger list
Mrs Shadwell 34 going to husband Carpenter
Fred 11, Ellen 9 & Cecilia Shadwell 5 Passengers came from Alderney
Date of Arrival:   15 Jun 1906
Vessel:   Canada port of arrival Montreal Quebec port dept. Liverpool

This entry also seems to be above family NO idea why she is named as Emma can only thing they made a mistake or misheard    ::
Viewed the name again on the original it doesn't look like Ellen or Hellen it's certainly not Sarah

UK Outward Passenger Lists 1890 - 1960
No of ticket 42548
Emma Shadwell wife 34,
Fred child 11,
Ellen child 9 &
Cecilia child  5
Departure Date:   7 Jun 1906 Port of Departure:   Liverpool, England
Destination Port: Quebec, Canada Ship Name: Canada

I’m looking to see if I can find Charles on a passenger list to confirm his occupation (not seeing anything on Anc*y) there is an entry on FindMyPast - sorry I don’t have sub.to check that for you 

Charles SHADWELL   1873    M 1906   Liverpool   Canada   Halifax

1901 c SHADWELL family living The Priory Portsmouth

Charles born c1874 Devizes Wiltshire occ CARPENTER

Sarah born c 1870 Alderney Channel Islands

Fredk born 1894 Portsmouth

Ellen born 1896 Portsmouth

Cecilia born 1901 Portsmouth


Might be worth looking at Census records in Canada to see if you can find either person on their own or together also Electoral Registers might help

This looks to be son Fredk birth entry
Frederick Charles L Shadwell Jun 1894 Portse Island Hampshire

Frederick Charles Shadwell occ Carpenter’s Helper
Residence:   Mimico, Ontario
Birth Date:   14 May 1894
Birth Location:   Portsmouth, England
Relative:   Mrs Helen Shadwell mother Humber Bay Ontario
Regiment Number:   778424
127th York Rangers, Overseas BN C.E.F
he also served with 10th Royal Grenadiers Toronto
18th January 1916

[irishdragon85]

After talking to my Dad he remembered an Aunt Bessie who was Grandma's mother's sister that came to visit my Grandmother when he was a boy sometime in the mid 50s. I cannot find anything out about Charles dying anywhere. Also the two records I have from Ellen and Edward list Ellen's mother Helen but also as Sarah. And it does make sense in a round about way for her to have two different pobs. There is a record on another site of Helen/Sarah's father being a Military man so he may have been stationed in Alderney and if that is the case when they came to North America they may have decided to list her pob as Alderney instead of Ireland. Because at that time the Irish in both Canada and the States weren't treated the best.

[Ladyhawk]

After talking to my Dad he remembered an Aunt Bessie who was Grandma's mother's sister that came to visit my Grandmother when he was a boy sometime in the mid 50s.

I cannot find anything out about Charles dying anywhere.

Also the two records I have from Ellen and Edward list Ellen's mother Helen but also as Sarah. And it does make sense in a round about way for her to have two different pobs.

 a record on another site of Helen/Sarah's father being a Military man so he may have been stationed in Alderney and if that is the case when they came to North America they may have decided to list her pob as Alderney instead of Ireland. Because at that time the Irish in both Canada and the States weren't treated the best.

That's great that you have been able to find that info.

From Mosiefish
Charles SHADWELL married Sarah HOOK Sep qtr. 1893 Portsea Island District Hampshire

birth entry same district Dec qtr. 1895
Ellen Rose L SHADWELL

From trish
Cecilia Freda J Shadwell Oct 1900 Portsmouth

This looks to be Fredk birth entry
Frederick Charles L Shadwell Jun 1894 Portsea Island Hampshire

1901 census family living The Priory Portsmouth
Charles born c1874 Devizes Wiltshire occ CARPENTER
Sarah born c 1870 Alderney Channel Islands
Fredk born 1894 Portsmouth
Ellen born 1896 Portsmouth married (see reply from Trish)
Cecilia born 1901 Portsmouth married Wm Edward DAVIES in Canada (see reply  3 from Trish)

Here’s Charles with his parents

1891 census RG12; Piece: 1599; Folio: 133; Page: 12
11 High Street Devizes Wiltshire
John Shadwell 65 Shipton Hants Gardener
Ann M 53 Cricklade Wilts
CHARLES 18 Devizes Carpenter's Apprentice
William 13   ‘’
plus 1 boarder & 2 lodgers

these 4 SHADWELL children mother must be  Ann Mary Shadwell nee PART
Ellen , Mary, Charley  & William
nothing on Wiltshire BMD to confirm mmn 
obtaining Charles Shadwell’s b/c or one of the other children would give you confirmation of their  mother’s maiden name
 
1871 census RG10; Piece: 1915; Folio: 36; Page: 20
John Shadwell 45 Shipton Gardener
Anne M 34 Cricklade
James 13 Devizes
Jesse 10
Lydia 8
Ellen A 5
1 lodger

1870 Devizes John Shadwell married Ann Mary PART (from Trish reply 5)
from Wiltshire BMD married 1870 Devizes Register Office or Registrar Attended

1861 census RG 9; Piece: 1293; Folio: 120; Page: 18
John Shadwell 36 Shipton Hants Groom & Gardener
Eliza 29 Poulshot
Albert 4
James 3
Jesse 9 mths

children Albert, James, Jesse & Lydia SHADWELL mother’s maiden name is WHITE
(source Wiltshire BMD)

1855 marriage Pewsey (FreeBMD) John Shadwell to Elvira WHITE and from
Wiltshire BMD married 1855 Devizes Register Office or Registrar Attended

I wondered if Elvira/Eliza SHADWELL possibly died during/after child birth and found these entries

Sep 1869 Devizes Elvira Shadwell died age 38 (b1831)

Sep 1869 Devizes Charles Shadwell he died Dec 1869 Devizes

1871 RG10; Piece: 1241; Folio: 94; Page: 7 - Shipton
Jane Shadwell Head widow 73 Bulford (she died age 78 andover hampshire 1876)

1861 RG 9; Piece: 714; Folio: 60; Page:
Jane Shadwell Head Widow 64 Bulford
Alice Shadwel gd/dau 6 Shipton

1851 HO107; Piece: 1683; Folio: 228; Page: 16
Charles Shadwell 54 Shipton labourer
Jane 53 Bulford Wiltshire
JOHN 26 Shipton Hampshire labourer

1841 HO107; Piece: 384; Book: 3; Civil Parish: Shipton Bellinger  ED10; Folio: 5; Page: 4
Charles Shadwell 44 Ag. Lab.
Jane 43
William 16 Shepherd
JOHN 15

details as given by Trish

JOHN Shadwell Christened 17 April 1825, Shipton-Bellinger, Southampton, Hampshire, England
Parents CHARLES/JANE

Charles SHADWELL Married Jane MACHLAND, 05 May 1823, Shipton-Bellinger, Southampton, Hampshire, England
Source Familysearch.Org

this looks to be Charles christening

Charles Shadwellll 15 Jan 1797 Shipton-Bellinger, Hamshire, England
Father's Name:   William Shadwell Mother's Name:   Hannah

and their marriage
Wm SHADWELL to Hannah PEARCE14 Jul 1789 Shipton Bellinger Hampshire
source familysearch.org

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[irishdragon85]

Thank you that helps me out a ton. I am grateful to everyone on this site for the help they have provided you don't know how much.

[Ladyhawk]

Confirming mothers name also Sarah

Birth York Toronto

Amelia born 11 July 1908
father Charles SHADWELL occ Carpenter 136 Sydenham St
mother SARAH Hook

death 16 Jul 1908 York
Amelia Shadwell age 6 days 136 Synendham St