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Re: Hi, Can Anyone help please -- Alcock's
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 28 August 13 11:22 BST (UK) »
Hi, if anyone can help I would appreciate it immensely - seem to have hit a big Brick Wall..

My 2 x GGrandfather William Alcock was born 5th December 1871 on Birth certificate just gives the mothers name as Mary Alcock and living at Flower and Dean Street, she being a comb seller. There is no fathers name apparently.

Becky ;)

You say that the birth cert has no fathers name apparently,does that mean that you haven't actually seen it yourself?

Do you have his marriage cert,does that name his father,who are the witnesses?

Carol
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Re: Hi, Can Anyone help please -- Alcock's
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 28 August 13 11:47 BST (UK) »
Carol Thanks For the above
My mother has the birth certificate and has been researching for years to no avail, however stopped quite some time ago - she said I am sure that the fathers name was missing hense trying to find his service records,
I will be in contact with her to dig it out ...
I live in Yorkshire and was unaware that you could access Find my Past at a local library so will have to have a trip down to see the images, as i Have ran out of credits !!!!

Again Many Many Thanks for the above

Becky


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Re: Hi, Can Anyone help please -- Alcock's
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 28 August 13 11:57 BST (UK) »
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He had a younger brother called George who joined the Beds Reg

Picking up from the army record, the brother George Alcock lived in Bedfordshire. There was also a sister Mary (aka Polly). Both children were in the care of the Stepney Poor Law Union. They were boarded out by the union from 16 May 1884 onwards to three successive foster carers in Bedfordshire. They were then sent into service, in 1891 and 1893 respectively (Mary to Grantham, Lincolnshire).

(source: LMA, STBG/L/146, via Ancestry > London, England, Poor Law and Board of Guardian Records, 1430-1930 > Tower Hamlets > Stepney > Register of Children > Register Of Children Boarded Out, 1876-1889, pp. 81-2, and 1882-1908, pp. 19-20)

I did not find William in the above poor law records. It is worth noting that when he attested for the Lincolnshire Regiment in 1887 he was in Dublin.

George and Mary are found as follows:

1891 census
RG12/1260 folio 106 page 43
Green End, Maulden, Bedfordshire
Eliza Hickson, Head, Widow, 60, born Maulden Beds
George Allcock, Boarder, 14, born London
Polly Allcock, Boarder, 10, born London

Alfred Robinson, Boarder, 13, born London

George is found  in Luton in 1901 (again with Alfred Robinson)

1901 census
RG13/1518 folio 117 page 30
19 Boyle Street, Luton
Thomas Osborne, Head, married, 38, Straw Plait Dyer, born Beds Totternhoe
Jane Osborne, Wife, married, 31, born Beds Eaton Bray
[3 children, born Luton]
Alfred Robinson, Boarder, single, 23, Plait Dyer(?), born London
George Alcock, Boarder, single, 24, Straw Plait Dyer, born London

Perhaps you can take them further from there?

As there is no father named on William's birth certificate, it's possible that the father's name on the baptism record was an invention, for respectability's sake.

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Re: Hi, Can Anyone help please -- Alcock's
« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 28 August 13 14:13 BST (UK) »
Well found Bookbox.

I did look at that Bedfordshire George,but wasn't 100% sure so discounted him for a while.
I'm always amazed when people manage to find anything in the poor law records,as they are so time consuming to trawl through.

Been looking to see what happened to Mary (Polly) b 1881 ish ,but having no luck.

Carol
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Re: Hi, Can Anyone help please -- Alcock's
« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 28 August 13 14:25 BST (UK) »
Wow Bookbox that is amazing many thanks - I have found them on Ancestry to look at now although how you found them initially is unbelievable I wouldn't know where to start ??

Carol,  I cant find what happened to Polly afterwards either but will carry on I will try and dig out the birth Certificate for William Junior - I have got his marriage Cert and it States on there that his father was indeed William George Alcock a Labourer (not shown deceased) although spouse father shown deceased so possibly still Alive ?? But I am thinking seems more likely to be a made up name to save face like you said ? Cant find the christening records for Polly or George either but will persevere

Again Tonnes of thanks

Becky