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[KGarrad]

Can I ask a question?

Do the records state that Maria Manning married in Pennsylvania U.S.A., or just Pennsylvania?

The reason I ask is that there is a village in Gloucestershire called . . . . Pennsylvania!
Also a suburb of Exeter, Devon!

[despair]

I don't know if the first record(s) are relevant or known,but on FamilySearch there is a record for William Searby born 1840 Lincolnshire in prison in Dublin.One variant of the record has him in a female prison(!)and there is a slightly later record of a Mary Manning(only 15 in 1864?) in the same prison.There are a number of other variants on the name and age that look like different people.

Of more direct relevance there is a Latinised(presumably Catholic) christening record for Carolum(Charles) parents Gulielmo(William) Serby and Maria Manning 1874 in Buffalo,Erie,New York

Regards
Roger

[BumbleB]

I'm going to leave Kate to answer these questions - after all, it's her family!!  But looks very interesting 

[majm]

Can I ask a question?

Do the records state that Maria Manning married in Pennsylvania U.S.A., or just Pennsylvania?

The reason I ask is that there is a village in Gloucestershire called . . . . Pennsylvania!
Also a suburb of Exeter, Devon!

The full certificate is on
http://s1235.photobucket.com/user/Catrina39/library/?sort=3&page=1

Did you notice that on that Victoria Australia birth cert that Maria did NOT know when she married William Searby, (not even a year) but she did advise the registrar that she was married in Pennsylvania 

Fingers crossed that will help a tad     (I cannot decipher the tiny writing at bottom right outside the margin as my current video card in this puter is not quite up to scratch  at the mo    Shhh.... my OH updated a driver and now it is .... errr .... not as good as previously  )

I have seven generations of ancestors in NSW records, so I know how difficult it can be to find the tiny detail to unlock the hurdle to get past the brickwall too 

Cheers, JM

The birth certificate says Pennsylvania, but it does not locate it with further geographical info.

Cheers,  JM

[despair]

The tiny writing doesn't help either- it simply says " I (registrar's name) certify that..............."

Regards
Roger

[majm]

From Mary Ellen's birth registration in November 1881 we have the following siblings:
George William - 12 (1869)
Joseph - 10 (1871)
Charles - 7 (1874)
Lewis - 5 (1876)
and Peter - 3 (1878)

I wonder if this Victoria BDM death registration will provide the name of the country where he was born?

In 1952 Chas Jas SEARBY, death at age 79, at Parkville Victoria…. A son of Wm SEARBY and Maria MANNON.  Rego no.  #2859. 

Victoria BDM death certs usually include “place of birth of the deceased and how long he or she resided in the Australian colonies or states (stating which)” , :     
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,373754.0.html

Vic certs are downloadable, via plastic card. 

https://online.justice.vic.gov.au/bdm/index-search?action=purchaseImage

Cheers,  JM

[Catrina]

Yes. I know, that's why we are trying to establish where he was born from this latest Birth certificate, section of said certificate on my first post.

Many mistakes on Certificates, one of my ggt's was recorded as Fraser when in fact her name was Ashby
All a bit like hard work sometimes instead of a hobby

Kate

[majm]

 I have some questions .. If I may

What Victoria BDM certs do you currently hold for the CHILDREN of  William and Maria ... any of them marry in Victoria at all .

if so would you check these and let us know the exact wording on each one as to 'where born' 

Also dont overlook that  on the death cert for Chas Jas SEARBY  it could at a minimum give you his country of birth .... Perhaps you have missed KGarrad's post re Pennsylvania being two locations in England...

Perhaps William and Maria did not marry in USA as they perhaps were not at Pennsylvania USA but  were in England to marry ..

Cheers JM

Yes. I know, that's why we are trying to establish where he was born from this latest Birth certificate, section of said certificate on my first post.

Many mistakes on Certificates, one of my ggt's was recorded as Fraser when in fact her name was Ashby
All a bit like hard work sometimes instead of a hobby

Kate

[Catrina]

Firstly I didn't receive the post about Pennsylvania being in England so apologies to KGarrard for not responding and yes, I was aware of the fact.

The Death cert of Francis Joseph stated born America.

All the children married in Victoria and the one certificate I have says born New York.

There is also the birth found in New York for Charles the second born and the third was almost certainly born there prior to their sailing back to England before coming on to Australia.

So that seems to be correct, because the other three were born in Australia.

Kate