The name "Thirlow" or Thurlow Fraser

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Found a tree online for George. b. 1814, Fraserburgh

Info given is

father - Alexander Fraser 1789 - 1848
mother - Chirstina Burnett 1789 -1860

I don't trust these trees but will explore and report back.

Got to sort out some missives though!


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The tree lists their children as:

Alexander Dalrymple Fraser (1808 -1883)
John Fraser (1810-1875)
George  Fraser (1814-1860)
William Findlay Fraser (1816-1904)
Donald Fraser (1820-1883)
Isabella Fraser (1821-1883)
Mary Fraser (1824)

No Margaret - if Christina was b. 1789, she'd be just about within range for a late child.

The tree also has parents for Alexander.

No proof for this at the moment.

The Tree would be available via Mundia.com

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No proof for this at the moment.

No. I am always suspicious of online trees, and especially of trees that have both parents born in the same year. That one requires both to be aged 18/19 at the time of the birth of the first child. Possible, but very unlikely, and would just about rule out the possibility that Alexander was the widower of Catherine Thurlow or anyone else.

Actually, if the date of marriage of Catherine Thurlow to Alexander George Fraser in the IGI is correct - 1815 - Alexander cannot be her widower because we know from the census and his probable death certificate that innkeeper George was born before 1815. And at least one online source http://www.pcuk.net/sinclairwillis/getperson.php?personID=I448&tree=main names the husband of Catherine Thurlow as Lord Alexander George Fraser KT KCB and gives her date of death as 1826. Another one http://histfam.familysearch.org/getperson.php?personID=I205339&tree=EuropeRoyalNobleHous names her husband as 16th Lord Saltoun. So it looks as if, whoever the Alexander was who was married to Christian Burnet(t), he wasn't the one married to Catherine Thurlow!

Not sure where the marriage date of 1806 came from - it isn't in the IGI as far as I can see - but if Christian was born in 1789 that would mean she was married exceptionally young for that time. On the other hand, if she wasn't unusually young when she married, she could not have had Margaret in the late 1830s.

There isn't a death of a Ch* B*rn*t or Fraser in 1860 or anywhere near in the SP index. And I have failed, so far, to find either Alexander or Christian in the 1841 census, or Christian in the 1851, in Scotland.

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There isn't a death of a Ch* B*rn*t or Fraser in 1860 or anywhere near in the SP index. And I have failed, so far, to find either Alexander or Christian in the 1841 census, or Christian in the 1851, in Scotland.

Same here - I've looked at all the known sources. I did find a Christian Fraser on the 1841 in Fraserburgh, aged 40 (-44) with a Margaret Fraser, aged 12. She is down as an Female Servant (F.S.) so not sure it's them.  Not finding Margaret on the early cenuses at the moment - have used Marg*t Fra*er.

Could I stress, yet again to daisypetal, that Margaret was Charles Fraser's great aunt - sister to William - and therefore not a direct line.


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Another thought:

1851
Land of Oldwhat, New Deer

William Chalmers, 33, farmer of 140 acres arable. b. New Deer
....
.....
Margaret Fraser, serv, unm, 20, House servant, b. Fraserburgh



The other two Margarets showing on the 1851, b. Fraserburgh don't seem to fit.


1861
Aden Arms Inn, Deer
Jane Fraser, wid., 52, innkeeper and farmer, b. Strichen ( this looks like George's widow?)
...
....
Margaret Fraser, serv, unm, 31, waiting maid, b. Fraserburgh


Could Margaret have manipulated her age to bring her more into line with James Imlah's age (both 26 on marriage cert). If so, then the 12 year old Margaret with Christian on the 1841 might be her!

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Another thought:

1851
Land of Oldwhat, New Deer
Margaret Fraser, serv, unm, 20, House servant, b. Fraserburgh
1861
Aden Arms Inn, Deer
Jane Fraser, wid., 52, innkeeper and farmer, b. Strichen ( this looks like George's widow?)
Margaret Fraser, serv, unm, 31, waiting maid, b. Fraserburgh

Looking good. The 1851 age would give DoB 1830/1 and the 1861 would give 1829/30, both of which are more plausible for the birth of Christian's youngest child than 8 or 9 years later.

Could Margaret have manipulated her age to bring her more into line with James Imlah's age (both 26 on marriage cert). If so, then the 12 year old Margaret with Christian on the 1841 might be her!

Good thinking. And she continued to massage the truth in the later censuses.

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The 1841 could very well be Christian and Margaret - I've looked at the 1841 again and the address is  North Lodge, Philorth, Fraserburgh. It's between Kirkton and the Toll Bar

Christian Fraser, 40, F.S.
Richard, 15
Isabella, 20
Margt, 12
All born Aberdeenshire

Note that in the 1841, those aged 15 and over were supposed to be grouped into 5 year age bands - thus 15 = 15-19; 20 = 20-24; 40 = 40-44

Full ref - 1841 196/00 005/00 013

This suggests that Alexander might well have been a forester on the Saltoun estate at Philorth!

Isabella is in one of the trees - married Peter Mitchell  26 Feb 1842 and died 12 July 1883. Nothing seems to be shown for Richard.

Approx location of North Lodge, Philorth ~
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0vxo/

(Forfarian - I expect you'll be able to find a map and photo    )


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Hmm. Isabella's death certificate ought to nail that.

(Forfarian - I expect you'll be able to find a map and photo    )

Map is no problem http://www.geograph.org.uk/gridref/NJ9964 - North Lodge is represented by the little pink rectangle where the track from Philorth House meets the main road.

A photograph might take a little longer - I see that there's rather a dearth of images in that square, and in the neighbouring ones. I'll see what can be done about it.

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I've been looking too but I got lots of pics of Fraserburgh beach!

There is a marriage/banns showing on SP for Christn Burnet and Alexr Fraser in Fraserburgh 19 Jan 1806.

I also note that there  was a George Burnett given as father to a son, Charly, in Fraserburgh in 1794. This would be after the stamp duty for BMBs was removed - maybe Christian wasn't entered in the registers because of this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stamp_Duties_Act_1783
http://www.euppublishing.com/doi/abs/10.3366/jshs.2010.0005


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