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Re: Strange causes of death
« Reply #18 on: Tuesday 10 September 13 22:58 BST (UK) »
My great grandfather's two year old sister's death certificate (1872) states under cause of death "Violent. Water on the brain from shock from accidental scratch of a cat".
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Re: Strange causes of death
« Reply #19 on: Wednesday 11 September 13 00:38 BST (UK) »
I got a certificate yesterday (unfortunately wrong one so that's money wasted  ::) ) but the cause of death was Mortification.  Apparently that means gangrene or other kind of decay.

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« Reply #20 on: Wednesday 11 September 13 11:00 BST (UK) »
There is a Visitation of God in my tree which reads;
"An inquisition at Copenhagen House Tavern in the parish of St Mary
Islington on the 11th day of February in the 6th year of the reign of Lord
William IV.. on view of the body of John ***** .. now here lying dead ...
when, how and by what means the said John *****  came to his death do upon
their oaths say, that on the 9th day of February in the year aforesaid, the
said John ***** then and there died by the visitation of God and not
otherwise."
He was pretty old and probably 'in his cups'
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Re: Strange causes of death
« Reply #21 on: Thursday 12 September 13 22:42 BST (UK) »
Sadly not all that unusual, but it was a shock to come across this account of my great-uncle asI knew nothing of this:

Pontypridd Observer 8 June 1907: Inquest on the Body of Mr Vazie Simons

Mr R.J. Rhys, Coroner, Aberdare, held an inquest on Monday touching the death of the late Mr Vazie Simons, the well-known solicitor who was found in his chambers, Market Square, Pontypridd, on Saturday last shot near the heart.

Mr Sidney (sic) Simons, Mayor of Merthyr, […......] In answer to the Coroner, witness said he personally did not know anything about any depression his brother had lately suffered. He had lately lost a very important appointment, which he held, and that gave him a great deal of trouble and anxiety. He never knew the deceased to have a revolver in his life, neither was he in the habit of going about with one in his pocket. He had been abroad in Australia and might have carried one there.

Mr W Upham, a clerk in the deceased's employ, spoke to seeing his late chief coming to the office on Saturday morning. Witness went into the room three times, but the deceased never spoke to him. He had been very quiet during the last few days and different to usual. Witness did not hear the report of a firearm but his fellow-clerk shouted to him and when he rushed into the deceased's room, he saw him sitting in his chair with the revolver on the blotting pad. Deceased lived for about four minutes but did not speak. Witness had never seen a revolver with the deceased and was not aware that he carried one.

Mr James Taylor, chief clerk, states that he had a conversation with his master that morning and he appeared to be very rational. Witness, however, knew that he had been depressed for some days. Witness heard a report of a pistol and on going into the room saw Mr Simons in his chair. He immediately telephoned for medical assistance.
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Inspector Salter said when he got to the office, the deceased, who was being supported by his clerk, was quite dead. He examined the body and found a bullet mark in the region of the heart. The revolver (produced) was on the table directly in front of the deceased with one of the five chambers discharged. The Coroner (inspecting the weapon): It is quite a new revolver. Have you any information where it has been bought? Inspector Salter: No, but it has not been bought at Pontypridd.

The Coroner, in directing the jury, said that he always thought in cases of that nature that the least said the better. They had the fact that the two clerks heard the report, and immediately after found the deceased dying in his chair; and Dr Lyttle (sic) had told them that the wound was self-inflicted. The brother had informed them that the deceased had just lost a very important appointment which had made him depressed and it was for the jury to say whether that was sufficient to justify them saying that the deceased was of unsound mind.

The jury returned a verdict of "Suicide during temporary insanity" and the foreman, Mr Roddy, expressed sympathy with the bereaved family.

The Coroner joined in the expression of condolence, adding that it was his business to be in the midst of trouble, but in this case he felt it more particularly because he had known deceased since he was a lad.
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Re: Strange causes of death
« Reply #22 on: Tuesday 17 September 13 16:45 BST (UK) »

Just had a cert back...cause of death..."amputation of the elbow"  ::)  So did he die as a result of the operation or his no doubt diseased elbow?  Guess we'll never know.



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« Reply #23 on: Wednesday 18 September 13 06:50 BST (UK) »

Just had a cert back...cause of death..."amputation of the elbow"  ::)  So did he die as a result of the operation or his no doubt diseased elbow?  Guess we'll never know.
Wonder how they amputated (just) the elbow ?  ;D ;D... there wouldn't be much of the forearm left I expect  ::) ::)
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« Reply #24 on: Wednesday 18 September 13 10:32 BST (UK) »

Just had a cert back...cause of death..."amputation of the elbow"  ::)  So did he die as a result of the operation or his no doubt diseased elbow?  Guess we'll never know.
Wonder how they amputated (just) the elbow ?  ;D ;D... there wouldn't be much of the forearm left I expect  ::) ::)

I've puzzled over this, I'm wondering if it should have read at not of and someone just made a mistake ???

Some older certs aren't very helpful, I have another with cause of death 'insane'  :o thankfully the lady concerned wasn't one of mine or the thought of how she 
really died might have driven me insane. :(
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Re: Strange causes of death
« Reply #25 on: Thursday 19 September 13 01:00 BST (UK) »
I agree with Suey but I have to wonder if there is a difference in the Registration Districts as to the actual 'Cause of Death' - Falling from a horse (but died of a broken neck), Amputation at the elbow (shock to the system, septicemia [blood poisoning], Gangrine, etc. etc.

It seems very probable that there could be a different interpretation of the cause of death, and the GRO (Registrar General) would have to accept the quarterly returns and possibly query some of them :o

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« Reply #26 on: Thursday 19 September 13 08:44 BST (UK) »
The Births and Deaths Registration Act had three principal aims, to facilitate legal proof of death, to prevent the concealment of crime, and to produce accurate mortality statistics. The prescribed form had a space for the cause of death, but completion of this was based on information supplied by the informant, or by the coroner who seldom had access to autopsy findings. Because of the deficiencies in the system, which were soon identified, in 1842 the Registrar General asked doctors to provide informants with a written cause of death, and in 1843 produced a a classification or arrangement of diseases, the first attempt to produce standard classified lists of the causes of death. In 1845 ten thousand licensed doctors received books of death certificates which they were invited to complete “to the best of their knowledge and belief” but in 1858 over 11 per cent of deaths were still registered without any medical information. In this year the General Medical Council came into existence, but there were 5000 medical practitioners not registered with the GMC and they were not initially included in the death certificate exercise.
The 1874 Act attempted to improve matters, and the ‘invitation’ to doctors to provide information became a ‘duty’, but unregistered ‘medical practitioners’ did not loose the right to issue certificates until 1885.

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