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Re: Tolond family history - Can't find death certificate
« Reply #9 on: Friday 07 March 14 15:51 GMT (UK) »
Hi Annie

I really appreciate your help, if my last post seems a bit terse it's because I was interrupted when writing it   ::)

I've tried different ways of spelling his name, (his name comes up as Toaland in the marriage index because he seemed to have trouble writing his name and messed it up),  when I found the man with the same name on Find My Past I thought I had made a breakthrough, I think it is highly likely to be him but I can't find any proof.

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Re: Tolond family history - Can't find death certificate
« Reply #10 on: Friday 07 March 14 16:53 GMT (UK) »
I just didn't want you thinking all sorts with my questions  :-)

I have a Mariner in my tree (father of my Michael Mellon's wife) & found info. on him on National Archives site just by typing in his name if I remember & was able to download his papers for about £3.50 ish.

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South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, Cumming, MacPhee

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Re: Tolond family history - Can't find death certificate
« Reply #11 on: Friday 07 March 14 17:01 GMT (UK) »
Jean,

You haven't said what area yet?

People need info. to try to trace Thomas :-)

Annie
South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, Cumming, MacPhee

"OLD GENEALOGISTS NEVER DIE - THEY JUST LOSE THEIR CENSUS"

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Re: Tolond family history - Can't find death certificate
« Reply #12 on: Friday 07 March 14 17:28 GMT (UK) »
Hi Annie

He lived in Liverpool then on the Wirral but the record on Find My past is from the National Archives some of their records have been digitalised.  I'm guessing that if his body wasn't recovered then there were no personal effects recovered and the sparse details came from information that was registered about the crew of the ship.  I'm not an expert on maritime records but when I've investigated there seems to be variables to do with time periods and whether all the records were actually kept.

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Re: Tolond family history - Can't find death certificate
« Reply #13 on: Friday 07 March 14 17:37 GMT (UK) »
Jean,

The info. I have from NA is paperwork with quite a lot of details such as parent's, his birthdate etc.

Will send them by PM.

Annie
South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, Cumming, MacPhee

"OLD GENEALOGISTS NEVER DIE - THEY JUST LOSE THEIR CENSUS"

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Re: Tolond family history - Can't find death certificate
« Reply #14 on: Friday 07 March 14 18:09 GMT (UK) »
the name is in Liverpool 1810 era
Marriage: 20 Aug 1810 St Anne Richmond, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
 Patrick Toland - Painter, Liverpool
 Lydia Roberts - Widow, the same parish
     Witness: John Foulds; Thos. Holden
     Married by Banns by: Wm Blundell Minr.
just wondering if this is any connection to him , - seeing as it was Liverpool he went to ???


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Re: Tolond family history - Can't find death certificate
« Reply #15 on: Friday 07 March 14 18:25 GMT (UK) »
No central Personal Merchant Navy records were kept between 1857 and 1913. Personal records for the years of the First World War have been destroyed.
Effectively the only personal information that can be obtained between those dates, is from the vessels crew agreement. This should give last address, NOK,  previous ship, rank etc. All British and Empire ships crew agreements are cataloged by the vessels official number.
GOLDEN PLEDGE official number 50572.
It would seem that all her crew agreements have been lost, destroyed or miscatalogued.
see http://www.mun.ca/mha/holdings/viewcombinedcrews.php?Official_No=50572
I have checked out the TNA catalogue and the NMM. Nothing there.
GOLDEN PLEDGE was owned and registered in Leith. Maybe the local newspaper may give some indication of the crew.
I have also searched the Crew Agreements on FindMyPast. Again nothing.
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Re: Tolond family history - Can't find death certificate
« Reply #16 on: Friday 07 March 14 18:39 GMT (UK) »
Jean,

When roughly was Thomas Tolond born, where & have you found him on any census with other family members as your info. is a bit vague ? :-)

Who was his wife, marriage date & place, kids names etc.

Annie
South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, Cumming, MacPhee

"OLD GENEALOGISTS NEVER DIE - THEY JUST LOSE THEIR CENSUS"

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Re: Tolond family history - Can't find death certificate
« Reply #17 on: Friday 07 March 14 19:03 GMT (UK) »
Hi everyone

Garstonite - Thanks for that info, I can't link it to my ancestor but I will make a note of it, I know from his marriage cert his father was also Thomas and it was said in the family that he was from Ireland.

Seaweed - Thank you so much for doing those checks for me.  I will check on the National Library of Scotland website to see if there is a mention in a local paper. 

Annie - Have sent you an email message

Jean  :)
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