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Re: Minimum info, but could use suggestions
« Reply #45 on: Monday 26 August 13 23:21 BST (UK) »
Just for info. if you haven't already got it
David and Elizabeth Hambler on the 1861 census
RG9/3242/16/11

Think you really need John K Hambler's birth cert.

Sue

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« Reply #46 on: Tuesday 27 August 13 07:45 BST (UK) »
Just for info. if you haven't already got it
David and Elizabeth Hambler on the 1861 census
RG9/3242/16/11

Think you really need John K Hambler's birth cert.

Sue

Hi Sue,
that would be ideal but his baptism says mother is Elizabeth and it does fit with the time line.

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« Reply #47 on: Tuesday 27 August 13 10:33 BST (UK) »
Here is the marriage that Heywood found -

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NNM8-FW8

It says Elizabeth is single - so does that mean that her mother was a Mills who married John Kershaw after Elizabeth was born?

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« Reply #48 on: Tuesday 27 August 13 13:47 BST (UK) »
I wonder if this fits in somewhere

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FMB8-PG8

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« Reply #49 on: Tuesday 27 August 13 14:43 BST (UK) »
The only likely baptism I can find for Elizabeth

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/J7VR-MD9

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« Reply #50 on: Tuesday 27 August 13 15:41 BST (UK) »
Just a brief summary for anyone else who is following this topic:

My original search was to find out who “Cousin Sarah” was and how she was related to Alice Wild, whose sampler was passed down to my mother.

Charles Wild(e) of Rochdale c1800-1867 married Hannah Kershaw of Newhey 1804-?1893 in Rochdale in 1831.

Their children were James c1831, William 1837, Alice 1840 and Betty 1843.
Alice married David Hambler in Rochdale in 1874.  She was his second wife, the first being Elizabeth Mills, who died in 1863 in Saddleworth.  David and Elizabeth’s son John Kershaw Hambler was born in Saddleworth in 1862.  Elizabeth’s father’s name was given in marriage records as John Kershaw.  David and Alice then had two children, Charles Eli 1875-1925 and Sarah 1878-1965.

Sarah Hambler, daughter of David & Alice, married John Kershaw 1880-1955 in Rochdale in 1908.  John was the son of single mother Ann Kershaw.

Sarah Hambler/Kershaw, wife of John Kershaw, was the daughter of Alice Wild/Hambler.  Alice’s younger sister was Betty Wild 1843-1899.  Betty was my gt-grandmother.  Her daughter Sarah Hannah Bolton was therefore a cousin of Alice’s daughter Sarah Hambler/Kershaw – hence the title “Cousin Sarah”, used not only by her real cousin, Sarah Hannah, but by Sarah Hannah’s children and grandchildren (me), too.

There seem to be three Kershaw families involved here!

Obviously other interesting issues and details were raised by diligent RootsChatters Heywood and SWar, but I think this is the centre of the search.  I am really grateful to them for helping me so generously.

Meanwhile another little teaser –
The Alice Wilde sampler is dated 1867.  If it was indeed worked by our Alice, she would have been 27 at the time, unmarried and working long hours in the cotton mill.  Most samplers were worked by children, I believe, so could there have been another later Alice…….?  (There are numerous potential candidates in Rochdale and Oldham, with or without the “e” on Wild.)

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Re: Minimum info, but could use suggestions
« Reply #51 on: Saturday 07 September 13 16:49 BST (UK) »
Hi

Just joined this site and did a search on Royton (my home town) and came across your post. There is a Dr Kershaw's Hospice in Royton (see http://www.drkershawshospice.org.uk/). There may be some family link there. Also, Saddleworth is near to Oldham (Royton is now part of Oldham) but technically in Yorkshire. Its not uncommon for folk to be born in Yorkshire and move to Lancashire for employment. My own ancestors did this when moving from silk industry to cotton industry for work.

I will ask my parents if they know anyone related to the people you have mentioned.

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« Reply #52 on: Saturday 07 September 13 16:52 BST (UK) »
Further info on Dr Kershaw and the hospice:
Administrative history:
Dr John Kershaw (1840 - 1909) was at one time the Medical Officer of Health for Royton. When he died, he bequeathed almost his entire legacy for the establishment of a hospital for the people of the district. Although discussion began almost immediately on the subject, it was many years before the hospital actually opened.
The hospital was completed in 1929 by Whitworth, Whittaker and Co Ltd, and was built and equipped for a total cost of £14,850. The architect was Mr Sidney Moss of Manchester. In 1930, a charity was registered under the name 'Dr Kershaw's Cottage Hospital'. The Charity Commissioners' Scheme for the Hospital stipulated that it was to be administered by a committee of nine people. This committee, in accordance with Dr Kershaw's will, was not to include any Clergymen or Socialists.
Dr Kershaw's Hospital finally opened at Turf Lane in Royton on 28 February 1931. At that time, it had five male beds, five female and two private. Patients were admitted on the recommendation of their doctor, and they continued to be treated by that doctor while in the hospital. They still had to pay their doctor's fee, and, initially, they had to pay ten shillings a week towards their maintenance (this was reduced to five shillings in 1937). Preference was given to the residents of Royton, and those who did not live in Royton had to pay more. The hospital was intended for medical and surgical patients only. Infectious, mental, chronic and incurable cases were not admitted. In 1938, the hospital was extended.
Despite the protests of local people and the management committee, the hospital was transferred to the newly formed NHS in 1948, but seems to have continued running in much the same way as before. In the 1970s, Patrick Steptoe established his human in-vitro fertilisation clinic at Dr Kershaw's, and the world's first test tube baby was conceived there in 1977. In 1984, Dr Kershaw's was removed from the control of the local GPs and placed under the Area Health Authority who designated it a centre for geriatric care only. In 1986, the hospital was closed 'temporarily', but by the time it re-opened in 1989, it had been handed over to the Oldham Hospice Appeal and renamed Dr Kershaw's Hospice.
Oldham Local Studies:
A History of Dr Kershaw's Cottage Hospital, Royton by G M Hargreaves (1999) (NH)
Dr Kershaw's Cottage Hospital in Varley's Royton Annual 1931 (FW72)
Dr Kershaw's Chronicle produced by Dr Kershaw's Hospice, Oct 1992, Jun 1994 (NH) pamphlet
Dr Kershaw's Christmas Chronicle produced by Dr Kershaw's Hospice, Dec 1993 (NH) pamphlet
Dr Kershaw's Hospice - for the People of Oldham District and Middleton (NH)
Various items on the History of Dr Kershaw's Hospice - newspaper cuttings, photocopies, etc (NH) pamphlet

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Re: Minimum info, but could use suggestions
« Reply #53 on: Sunday 08 September 13 13:12 BST (UK) »
Hi, Steven

This is all really interesting and though it may possibly be relating to a family member I'm mindful of the fact that there are an awful lot of Kershaw families in the area.  As I mentioned in my earlier message, there are three possibly quite separate Kershaw families on this side of my tree alone.  I'll have to do some following up, but I'm pretty sure my John/Jack Kershaw was an only child and he and his wife had no children.

What an interesting fellow Dr John Kershaw was - I'd really like to have him in my tree, though I think most of my Kershaws were millworkers.  Although I'm a Rochdalian by birth, so lived just a few miles away from Royton, I had never heard of the hospital/hospice.

My maternal gt-gt-grandfather and family also made the journey across the Pennines to find work.  As a Lancastrian I was not at all happy to discover that I had Yorkshire blood in me.  The folk memory of the Wars of the Roses still persists, and not just in cricket!

Thanks very much.
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