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Re: Minimum info, but could use suggestions
« Reply #36 on: Wednesday 21 August 13 09:52 BST (UK) »
What a complicated family!

There is a marriage in Rochdale March Q 1895
John Hambler with Sarah Butterworth

This couple are on the 1911 census with a 9 year old son called Fred

Wondered if this John is the John K who was Sarah's half brother

Just a thought

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« Reply #37 on: Wednesday 21 August 13 10:07 BST (UK) »
These Kershaws get everywhere!  I know it's a very common name in the Rochdale/Oldham area, but hadn't quite expected these complications.

The information that you have all found for me is amazing.  I'm going to sit down with a very large sheet of paper and try to draw up a family tree for Cousin Sarah's family.  At least I now know thanks to you that she was my grandmother's cousin.  I remember her as a very sweet old lady who nevertheless dominated her husband.  Of him I only remember his walrus moustache!

Many, many thanks once again.

Gillg :)
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FAIREY/FAIRY/FAREY/FEARY, LAWSON, CHURCH, BENSON, HALSTEAD from Easton, Ellington, Eynesbury, Gt Catworth, Huntingdon, Spaldwick, Hunts;  Burnley, Lancs;  New Zealand, Australia & US.

HURST, BOLTON,  BUTTERWORTH, ADAMSON, WILD, MCIVOR from Milnrow, Newhey, Oldham & Rochdale, Lancs., Scotland.

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« Reply #38 on: Wednesday 21 August 13 12:23 BST (UK) »
Good luck with the plan and please let us know if it works out as you hope. :)
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« Reply #39 on: Wednesday 21 August 13 14:38 BST (UK) »
Update...

Have just found someone on Genes R who is researching the Hambler family and includes David, Sarah and several generations of Johns on her tree, though not Alice Wild.  Perhaps she can add something to the tale if she replies to my query. 

I do wonder where John Kershaw was born, as his mother Ann states on the 1881 age 2 and 1901 age 22 that he was born in Morecambe.  Can't see any JKs on the 1901 born in Morecambe, and looking on FreeBMD can only see one from Sept Q 1878 under Lancaster, which is in any case a little too early.  In the main most of these John Ks come from the Rochdale/Oldham area.

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FAIREY/FAIRY/FAREY/FEARY, LAWSON, CHURCH, BENSON, HALSTEAD from Easton, Ellington, Eynesbury, Gt Catworth, Huntingdon, Spaldwick, Hunts;  Burnley, Lancs;  New Zealand, Australia & US.

HURST, BOLTON,  BUTTERWORTH, ADAMSON, WILD, MCIVOR from Milnrow, Newhey, Oldham & Rochdale, Lancs., Scotland.


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« Reply #40 on: Monday 26 August 13 11:34 BST (UK) »
More complications following a reply from my Hambler contact, who says that John Kershaw Hambler was the daughter of Alice Kershaw, who she says was David Hambler's first wife and who died in Mar Q 1862!  I cannot find such a marriage, also JKH was born in June Q 1862, whilst Elizabeth was still alive.  She died in Saddleworth in Sep Q 1863. 

Oh, these Kershaws!  so far I have

1) Hannah Kershaw, wife of Charles Wild and mother of Alice Wild
2) Elizabeth Mills whose father's name was given on her marriage entry as John Kershaw
3) John Kershaw Hambler, whose mother may have been Elizabeth Mills/Hambler or Alice    Kershaw.
4) Alice Kershaw, possible mother of JKH; her parents are given by my contact as Thomas & Mary Kershaw
5) John Kershaw, son of unmarried Ann Kershaw, who married Sarah Hambler, daughter of David Hambler and Alice Wild

I was wondering if Alice Kershaw was a sister/half sister of Elizabeth Mills, who died in childbirth and whose child, John Kershaw, was taken in by David and Elizabeth, however, that doesn't seem to work as the death of Alice Kershaw in Mar Q 62 is followed by the birth of JKH in JunQ 1862!  Although John's name is registered in Saddleworth as John Kershaw Hambler, I can't find a birth/baptism record on Family Search for either a John Kershaw or John Kershaw Hambler in 1862 or thereabouts.

Just how many Kershaw families are involved here, I wonder?  More work to do, obviously.

SWar #38
Yes, the marriage of John Hambler and Sarah Butterworth in 1895 is that of John Kershaw Hambler.  It was possibly their son Fred who was executor on his aunt Sarah Hambler/Kershaw's will

Gillg
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HURST, BOLTON,  BUTTERWORTH, ADAMSON, WILD, MCIVOR from Milnrow, Newhey, Oldham & Rochdale, Lancs., Scotland.

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Re: Minimum info, but could use suggestions
« Reply #41 on: Monday 26 August 13 12:49 BST (UK) »
Hello again  :)

I steered clear of the Hambler/Mills/Kershaw bit earlier.
However, on the face of it, you have:
1861 marriage of David Ambler and Elizabeth Mills/Kershaw
1862 birth of John Kershaw Hambler with mother's maiden name Kershaw
1863 death of Elizabeth Hambler

Which seems to work

Unless there are certificates to prove otherwise.

Heywood
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« Reply #42 on: Monday 26 August 13 13:45 BST (UK) »
Wow - Heywood that looks good

I was just typing - saying I couldn't find an earlier marriage for David Hambler and you seem to have cracked it.

Marriage Rochdale June Q 1857
Elizabeth Kershaw with Robert Mills on same page

Several possible deaths for Robert
March Q1859
Sep. Q 1861
June Q 1862

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« Reply #43 on: Monday 26 August 13 13:56 BST (UK) »
I also was wondering re a marriage for Elizabeth. I just found the baptism for John Kershaw Hambler with  mum Elizabeth  :)

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/JQ3M-5YP

The earlier marriage has been mentioned in the thread but your info looks worth a follow up.
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« Reply #44 on: Monday 26 August 13 14:03 BST (UK) »
No, that marriage is no good. Elizabeth is 29 yrs and father is James. Robert Mills is a widower.
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