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Brickwall - Where do I look next?
« on: Saturday 17 August 13 02:24 BST (UK) »
I have hit a major brickwall in tracing my 2nd Great Grandfather and i am looking for ideas on where to look next.
This is what i have.
John Godfrey, born about 1841 in or around Newport, County Tipperary, Ireland. He immigrated to Australia in 1866, aboard "Peerless", sponsored by his brother Daniel Godfrey (who arrived in 1863). From the immigration records i have ascertained that his parents are Daniel Godfrey & Mary Healy (from Daniel's death certificate 1907.)
 In 1867 John married Bridget Mary Donovan in Piper Street, Woollahra, under the rites of the Roman Catholic Church (however i have yet to ascertain if they were even married in a church). Their marriage certificate gives very little information on either of their backgrounds. (No ages, places  of birth or parents names.) The witnesses are listed as Daniel Godfrey (John's brother) and Mary Donovan (Bridget's sister who later married a John McCarthy)
Bridget and John went on to have eight children, two of whom died as infants.
I have searched the Sydney Sands Directories and NSW Census and Electoral Rolls and also the City of Sydney - Assesment Books. And can track John up until about 1905 this way as living in and around the area of Surrey Hills.  But after that he just disappears.
I also tracked the family through Death Notices and Funeral Notices on TROVE. I have found mentions of many of the family members and their brothers and sisters upon their death but nothing of John. The last mention of John is in 1913 when Bridget's sister Ellen died.
I have been unable to find a death for John. I have searched death registrations, as well as Burial Registers for Rookwood, and Waverley Cemetery's where many of the family were buried.
 I'd really like some ideas on where to look next, as I have  just about exhausted all my avenues.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
And thankyou in advance.
Nicole

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Re: Brickwall - Where do I look next?
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 17 August 13 02:39 BST (UK) »
In 1867 John married Bridget Mary Donovan in Piper Street, Woollahra, under the rites of the Roman Catholic Church (however i have yet to ascertain if they were even married in a church). Their marriage certificate gives very little information on either of their backgrounds. (No ages, places  of birth or parents names.) The witnesses are listed as Daniel Godfrey (John's brother) and Mary Donovan (Bridget's sister who later married a John McCarthy)

Here's a link to help overcome the hurdles re those blanks on that marriage cert  :)
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,546609.0.html

Cheers,  JM
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Re: Brickwall - Where do I look next?
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 17 August 13 02:46 BST (UK) »
Do you have the following info …

NSW ER 1903 EAST SYDNEY, polling at Belmore (not, not the Sydney Suburb, but the polling place NEAR to Central Station)
William GODFRED (yes, JM including this in case that is a printer’s typo), 24 Wemyss St,  cabman
John GODFREY, 24 Wemyss St, mail driver
John GODFREY, senior, 24 Wemyss St, carpenter
Mary GODFREY   , 24 Wemyss St, domestic duties
Sarah GODFREY, 288 Elizabeth St, domestic duties
William GODFREY, 26 Wexford St, cabman

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Re: Brickwall - Where do I look next?
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 17 August 13 03:30 BST (UK) »
Do you have the following info …

NSW ER 1903 EAST SYDNEY, polling at Belmore (not, not the Sydney Suburb, but the polling place NEAR to Central Station)
William GODFRED (yes, JM including this in case that is a printer’s typo), 24 Wemyss St,  cabman
John GODFREY, 24 Wemyss St, mail driver
John GODFREY, senior, 24 Wemyss St, carpenter
Mary GODFREY   , 24 Wemyss St, domestic duties
Sarah GODFREY, 288 Elizabeth St, domestic duties
William GODFREY, 26 Wexford St, cabman

Cheers,  JM

Yes,
I found this one. Thanks
This is one of the last official mentions i found of John Snr.
The Mary Godfrey mentioned is Bridget Godfrey, I found several records of her using Mary and several using Bridget.


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Re: Brickwall - Where do I look next?
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 17 August 13 03:48 BST (UK) »

Which family members have you found on the NSW 1913 Electoral Roll? 

Also St Marys Cathedral Archivist http://www.sydneycatholic.org/about/archives.shtml  re the elusive blanks on the mc  :)

Cheers,  JM  :)


Do you have the following info …

NSW ER 1903 EAST SYDNEY, polling at Belmore (not, not the Sydney Suburb, but the polling place NEAR to Central Station)
Yes,
I found this one. Thanks
This is one of the last official mentions i found of John Snr.
The Mary Godfrey mentioned is Bridget Godfrey, I found several records of her using Mary and several using Bridget.
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Re: Brickwall - Where do I look next?
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 17 August 13 04:37 BST (UK) »
You have certainly done a thorough job so you would probably have Bridget's death certificate which may give a clue.   ???  Is this her?

1933, registered at Redfern, New South Wales #18494
Bridget M GODFREY
Father's Name:   William
Mother's Name:   Johanna

This is probably the funeral notice for this lady
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/17024638

Possibly a return thanks from her family
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/17027344

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Re: Brickwall - Where do I look next?
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 17 August 13 04:40 BST (UK) »
Yes, Judith is spot on .... you certainly have done a thorough job...

Some thoughts from me  :)

Have you found any reference to John (senior) in the 1929 Probate Packet for John, son of John and Bridget ?
NSW BDM #2241 of 1929 registered at Burwood
NSW SRO has John GODFREY with DD 5 March 1929, probate granted 18 Nov 1929
http://investigator.records.nsw.gov.au/Search.aspx
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/16536665       SMH 7 March 1929  (Mrs Godfrey Sen mentioned, so it is likely she was already a widow)


Cheers,  JM
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Re: Brickwall - Where do I look next?
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 17 August 13 04:51 BST (UK) »
He is not mentioned in son William's death notices in 1914. Not even 'son of the late John..', which is quite unusual.

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/15467027

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Re: Brickwall - Where do I look next?
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 17 August 13 05:30 BST (UK) »

In 1867 John married Bridget Mary Donovan in Piper Street, Woollahra, under the rites of the Roman Catholic Church (however i have yet to ascertain if they were even married in a church). Their marriage certificate gives very little information on either of their backgrounds. (No ages, places  of birth or parents names.) The witnesses are listed as Daniel Godfrey (John's brother) and Mary Donovan (Bridget's sister who later married a John McCarthy)

If John was not a Roman Catholic, then they would not have been allowed to marry in the church. A priest could still perform the ceremony, just not in the actual church building. Some weddings were performed in the vestry or other side room.

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Jennaya