Shuttleworth, Wolverhampton

[toribori]

Ciderdrinker
many thanks for the info, i think you may be right in what you say. Alice Joyce had a brother George and this coming down thru the family. will have to get birth cert - paid the genealogist site but there was no info on her parents or her siblings parents re the birth certs they provided.
thanks again, 

[toribori]

hi all,
i got the birth cert for alice joyce today and her mum was olive shuttleworth. the fathers details and occupation are blank!
cider drinker, i think the info you gave me might be the same olive shuttleworth, which would make her about 20 yrs when she had alice. think i had better get the birth cert of the siblings to see if there is a fathers name on them.  am i right in thinking this was an illegitimate birth?

[ciderdrinker]

Hi
Yes I'm afraid it is  an illegitimate birth.Otherwise Olive would have had a maiden name on the certificate,and there would have been a father both on the birth certificate and the marriage cert.
You may want to hold off buying the other birth certificates because if a father was named on the certificate then the children would be indexed under that name too and there's no second entry for either.
It's difficult to know whether Olive told anyone who was the father or was in a stable relationship that everyone knew about.If she was living at home with her parents then she would probably have told them but wouldn't have needed to tell anyone else.On the other hand if she needed financial help there might be some track of her asking the Father for help.
It does look like with have the right Olive Shuttleworth from Wolverhampton and if we could track someone down that's still alive they may know.
Trouble is with personal confidentiality it's more difficult to trace forward than it is back.To be honest I'm looking at that marriage for Olive and thinking oops perhaps ,perhaps not.
There is a Family tree for the Pillinger family on Ancestry website that includes George Shuttleworth ,his wife and the older children .Basically up to the 1901 census.It's owner anitaszaban may know more.Not sure how accurate it is (there are 3 George Shuttleworths born in Birmingham about the same time but it does have a wife Alice M Shuttleworth).There is also a tree by d3lite1 on the Weston side.
Had a look for burials for the family at Merridale(the on line index goes up to 1937)
George Shuttleworth age 51 17.9.1915 All Saints parish Melbourne St pattern maker grave 22710
George Edward Shutleworth age 10 years 8.7.1913 All saints Melbourne St son of Edward locksmith (but i think the last bit is a mistake)grave 19778.
Alice seems to have remarried June 1919 Wolverhampton 6b 1556 Abraham Tonks.
Her grave is 374 .She died age 55 Wednesfield Union(workhouse) 13.1.1923 wife of Abraham Tonks  stoker.No sign of his grave.
Also their eldest Harry was christened at St Marks 25.7.1895 37 Laburnam St.
Hope that helps at least a  little bit.
Ciderdrinker