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Offline Ken Cameron

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Re: HMS Hercules 1853 Port Adelaide
« Reply #9 on: Saturday 17 August 13 10:30 BST (UK) »
Cando,
I get my own broadband connection at home on the 26 Aug., then it will be easier for me to do my research.
Murdoch father was definitely Donald Macdonald as I got that direct from a Gaelic speaker from North Uist who had a record of his patronym.
Highlanders in the 17, 18 and 19 century never had surnames (males or females). They all had patronyms, which were not labels but family history shorthand. They gave the fathers name and also his fathers name, so the son always had three 'Christian' names and no surname. The same was true for women and there mothers etc. The prefix Mac in Gaelic means 'son of' and you probably know that. What you may not know that the prefix Mic can be translated as grandson of.
So Murdoch's Patronym would be Murdoch Mac Donald Mic X, where X was the first name of his father's father. If he needed further identity he would also say "of Clan Donald" or "of North Uist" either of which identified him as a son of the 'Lord of the Isles'.
Also it was standard practice to always name the first male child after the fathers father, the first female child after the mothers mother, the second male child after the mothers father and the second female child after the fathers mother. This was only altered when an already born child died. The next born same gender child was named after that dead child.
You can see that Murdoch followed this religiously, in that the first male child of both wives was named Donald, so this must be his fathers name. The girls names also clearly indicate his mothers name etc. The second Donald use name was probably Ewan and when he died very young the next male child was named after him.
I will attach a copy of Samuel's cert to show you what I mean.
Ken

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« Reply #10 on: Sunday 18 August 13 02:09 BST (UK) »
Thank you.  Am very familiar with naming patterns etc in Scotland. 

Thank you for attaching the 1871 certificate which shows other children born to the second marriage whose births weren't registered.

Good luck with your research. 

Cando
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« Reply #11 on: Monday 19 August 13 12:57 BST (UK) »
Cando,

Thank you once again for your invaluable help  ;D.

I attach a pdf of Murdoch Macdonald's family group, which I entered into my family tree at the weekend, including notes to myself.
This may help others that read my enquiries. It suggests to me that Catherine McSwan's father was called Samuel and her mother was Joanna.

Ken

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« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 21 August 13 02:30 BST (UK) »
Ken the attachment is not readable by me.  Perhaps it is just me.  I have the latest pdf programme.

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Re: HMS Hercules 1853 Port Adelaide
« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 21 August 13 10:49 BST (UK) »
Cando

I created it in Adobe Acrobat Pro 7 for the Macintosh system, as that is the computer I use. I chose pdf as it is supposed to be cross platform independent. I then copied it to my USB stick, went to the local Library and logged on to Rootschat etc. I know that Adobe Photoshop (Mac version) will open it, maybe other graphic applications can also.

When I get online from home on the 27th I will upload it in another format like jpg, to see if that works better.

Ken

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« Reply #14 on: Wednesday 02 October 13 12:28 BST (UK) »
Hello Ken.  Hoping you can help me.  The McDonald family I'm interested in also came out on the Hercules, and was wondering if they could be connected to Murdoch - both coming from Nth Uist?  They were Donald 39, Christy 35, Rory 6, Alexander 3, Norman 1.  Archibald was born at Torrens in 1857 and died 1858. Details of the parents are known, but nothing can be found regarding the 3 boys.  Perhaps you can come to light with some information.

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« Reply #15 on: Wednesday 02 October 13 16:49 BST (UK) »
Hi Trying

I have had a quick look through the 1851 Census for NU and have found a family that may possible be yours. I include an attachment of an extract of that entry with this reply. The attachment is in RTF format and should be easily opened with any word processing or spreadsheet application. It is constructed using tabs to create the column effect.

The spelling and capitalization in my extract are not errors, but exact copies of the Census entry. Note that Christy is entered as Kersty. There are only two years age difference between Donald and Kersty in the Census (36 and 34 resp.), and the same with Rory and Alexander (4 & 2). I also added my own comments after the extract about the abbreviated headings for 2 of the columns.

I assumed that the ages you gave me were the ones for 1853 and the Hercules voyage. I therefore 'corrected' them for 1851 when looking up the Census. Norman is not with the family I found(too young), and the mother-in-law, Ann Macpherson (60), appears to be living with them at the time of the Census.

I also assumed that 'Torrens' is in Australia, so did not look for Archibald at all in Scotland.

I will look up the shiplist data to see if it can confirm a family connection between my Murdoch and your Donald and get back to you with any further info I find.

Please let me know if this census information is likely to be your Macdonald relatives or not.

regards
Ken

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« Reply #16 on: Thursday 03 October 13 06:25 BST (UK) »
Thank you Ken.  I'm certain that is the correct family.  Kristy had 2 other husbands apart from Donald.  Peter Hollingsworth and George Porter.  She died in a Destitute Asulymn in Adelaide.  Very keen to find out what happened to the 3 boys.

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« Reply #17 on: Thursday 03 October 13 10:27 BST (UK) »
Cynthia, I am doing my family tree research from my home near Loch Lomond in Scotland and have found these following resources in Australia to be a goldmine of hidden nuggets:

http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper

http://www.genealogysa.org.au/

http://www.bdm.dotag.wa.gov.au/_apps/pioneersindex/default.aspx

http://www.bdm.vic.gov.au/home/family+history/

If you already know of them, or live in Australia and I am not telling you new information, I apologize.

My research was hampered at first, because Murdoch skipped to Victoria within two years of arriving in South Australia. Like you I was primarily interested in the three daughters of my great cousin Mary Cameron and her husband Murdoch Macdonald. I eventually found them all in Wycheproof, Victoria.

The first site named above were very productive with regard to background info about daily happenings to my relatives. The second site produced a remarkable number of relatives births, deaths and marriages, very easily and quickly. The next two sites were less forthcoming with information and I had to persevere with the Victoria site even when I knew the certificate reference number I wanted. Most times it would tell me that no records were found and that I had not been charged for the search. I did eventually turn up Murdoch's death certificate from it, but it was a big struggle.

Hope this helps with your search

Ken