Researching Family of Bridget Brophy (nee Fenlon) Dublin 1901 census

[aghadowey]

I searched earlier for just Brophy/Dublin, Brophy/fenlon, etc. and didn't get those results although after I got one via Google I was then able to search database from there and did get them so I suspect some sort of glitch. Now, however, I've re-done the search of Brophy/Fenton and got only 4 items-
1) Michael Brophy's 1907 marriage to Rosa McCall
http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/0a76090006183
2) Michael's 1876 baptism
http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/bbf8e50259825
3) Catherine's 1878 baptism
http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/eaa90a0261371
4) baptism for John Joseph in 1885-
http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/0a72b10205825

The last one is not the same John Joseph born and baptised in 1880 so the earlier one likely died and the parents re-used the names.

It's also possible that they had 2 sons named Michael.

[mikebro]

Michael Brophy married Roaseanne McCall in 1909. Her address is listed as 30 LWR CLANBRASSIL STREET. When I browse the 1911 census, there is a gap in the numbering of the houses on UPPER clanbrassil st - it goes from 29 to 31, no 30. The numbering on lower clanbrassil st is 56 -121. So is this a mistake on the register i.e. it should have been 30 upper clanbrassil st? And why is there no 30 upper clanbrasil st on the census - was it empty at the time perhaps? Fallen down?

Any thoughts?

[aghadowey]

Michael Brophy married Roaseanne McCall in 1909. Her address is listed as 30 LWR CLANBRASSIL STREET. When I browse the 1911 census, there is a gap in the numbering of the houses on UPPER clanbrassil st - it goes from 29 to 31, no 30. The numbering on lower clanbrassil st is 56 -121. So is this a mistake on the register i.e. it should have been 30 upper clanbrassil st? And why is there no 30 upper clanbrasil st on the census - was it empty at the time perhaps? Fallen down?

Any thoughts?

Use the Browse Census feature for 1911 census to see if there was a number 30.

[mikebro]

aghadowey

I browsed both the 1901 and 1911 census and both of them skip number 30 for some reason. So it's unlikely to be a mistake in transcription. Looking at google maps there is a number 30 lower clanbrassil st now and it is attached to, and very similair in build to, no 31.

[hasta]

I can't see the gaps. Are these not it?
1901
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/Wood_Quay/Lr__Clanbrassil_Street__East/1347983/
1911
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Wood_Quay__part_of_/Clanbrassil_Street__Lower__East_Side/78064/

[mikebro]

Ah, that explains it. I had found Clannbrasil St under Merchants Quay

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/Merchants_Quay/Upper_Clanbrassil_Street/
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/Merchants_Quay/Lr__Clanbrassil_St___W__side_/

Obviously the street is a DED boundary.

Thanks for the help

[aghadowey]

The problem with comparing the 1901 with 1911 census is that the numbers shown are the numbers on the Enumerator's page and nothing to do with the actual address. In 1911 you have the option to check the scanned page which gives the actual address but you can't do that in 1901. So, #30 Clanbrassil St. could appear as household number 15 in 1901 and #33 in 1911.

[dathai]

William Brophy a widower age 50 a cork cutter at 84 Capel St in 1911
Described as a lodging house belonging to Anne Nolan.

[mikebro]

dathai

Great minds think alike, I found him this afternoon. I had missed this guy because the age is wrong, he should be 55 acording to the age given on the 1901 census. However it looks to be the same person as he is a cork cutter by profession (the 1901 has him as a cork butter which confused me for quite a while).

This brings me to a question, who fiilled out the census return. Nowadays it would be done by the head of the household but I suspect they forms may have been filled out by the enumerator. Am I correct?

You could imagine the owner of a logding house getting the age wrong of one of her lodgers (as opposed to a family member).

Which age would you be more inclined to accept?

Mike