A mother for Wilfred Charles EVERITT

[majm]

According to the 1878 Electoral Roll (posted by JM Reply #12)
John Joseph was a freeholder of land near Howlong,so why is there no mention of him on NSW "deceased estates"?

Judith, I am sure you know that after I read this I set about double checking myself.   And so :

   I can confirm the 1878 ER info is correctly transcribed by me to that post.

   I have diligently gone over and over and over the various different techniques I use to search the various online indexes that NSW SRO offers.    NOUGHT in NSW SRO for death duties or winding up of the deceased estate.... I even tried sorting the headings by date and by location.   

It is as though he had already disposed of the estate prior to his death .... that is another reason for suspecting the illness was protracted .... in NSW the 1880s it often took  time to transfer freehold property, it took as long or longer than it does today.

The (NSW) Lands Titles Office (cannot recall their "OFFICIAL" current name at the moment) would be the place to start to follow up on that aspect. 

http://www.lpi.nsw.gov.au/land_titles/historical_records_online
http://www.lpi.nsw.gov.au/land_titles/historical_records_online/historical_maps_cancelled_editions

http://www.rootschat.com/links/0vqt/   Link to Titles office etc.

HOWLONG : 1875 :  in the Police District of ALBURY, in the Electorate of THE HUME, and in the county of HUME ..... this ought to help with online searching of Maps ....
Another couple of links too :
http://gazette.slv.vic.gov.au/
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=538663.0

Cheers,  JM

[sparrett]

When did Thomas’ own marriage break down … this question has been asked previously, but although Thomas married Harriet in 1876, … JM


A child whose parents at death were recorded as Thomas and Harriet EVERITT died in 1886.
 
EVERIST  (sic)Thos Jos
Father Thos Jos
Mother Harrt EVANS
Age 3Y
Death Place KMORE
Year 1886
Reg  5932

By 1887 the couple were estranged

Birth (registered also in the name of EVANS)
EVERITT Mary
Father-
Mother Harriet EVANS
Birth Place FOOT
Year 1887
Reg 11266R

Sue

[Neil Todd]

Not one to disagree much, but as I understand it.....If the father did not turn up to the registration then... the mother was not allowed to put the fathers name down.

My thought from that is maybe they weren't estranged in 1877 it was possibly that he just didn't bother to go to the registra.

Neil

[Jennaya]

Back to the very first post on this thread. What was on Thomas' death certificate re Wilfred and who was the informant?

Regards
Jennaya

[majm]

Ummm

Rural NSW and the Part timer Deputy Registrar at the Local Court House would record what info he was given in answer to his questions..   The important 'present' or 'not present' on NSW birth certs refers to the baby.   Women could register their births WITHOUT dragging 'husband' along... Specially if Clerk at Court House knew why husband could be absent .... away droving/shearing / in gaol/impersonating The Kelly Gang  etc.  ENglish laws re Birth rego had NO effct in the Colonies who had their own Laws and the locals recorded what they understood the BSW law wanted

Cheers (clunky 2 finger E reader) JM

Not one to disagree much, but as I understand it.....If the father did not turn up to the registration then... the mother was not allowed to put the fathers name down.

My thought from that is maybe they weren't estranged in 1877 it was possibly that he just didn't bother to go to the registra.

Neil

[majm]

So following on from Jennaya's question ... Please type up ALL the info on your copy of that death cert for Thomas ..

JM
"Wilfred was the son of Edward's brother John Joseph Everitt who had died in March  1881, shortly before Wilfred's birth ......
There are also several public trees that show Wilfred as the son of another brother, Thomas James Everitt.  This error comes from information on Thomas' death certificate."

[majm]

You need to get Thomas dc

Could you help me some explanation of why you believe all this to be true.

Quote
"Wilfred was the son of Edward's brother John Joseph Everitt

Wilfred was told this by a family member.

John Joseph Everitt who had died in March 1881

That's a matter of record.

There are several public trees that show Wilfred's mother was John's wife Bertha Devery.  However, it is believed within our branch of the family this is not correct.

This bit is family history.  With no record of the birth, it's hard to prove or deny.  And in theory Bertha could have given him up because her husband had died.  Bertha's death record as Bertha Finn would be one option.  But there appears to be no actual suggestion in the family she was Wilfred's mother or that she had anything to do with him and the attachment of her as his mother on family trees is probably just an assumption. 

There are also several public trees that show Wilfred as the son of another brother, Thomas James Everitt.  This error comes from information on Thomas' Wilfred's death certificate.

Sorry, my error there.  That should have read Wilfred's death certificate, obviously.  This information contradicts what Wilfred was told and to be an error made by the informant at the time.   Again, it appears that people without that family knowledge of what Wilfred was told have simply taken the death record as correct - and as you know, death records can not always be relied on.

Now, you'll be wondering how we know what Wilfred was told.  His daughters were interviewed by a granddaughter in the 80s.  That person has also obtained copies of official records from the registry offices, visited local churches, court houses and cemeteries for more records and been tracing the Everitt family history for around 25 years.  Now, I accept you can't always rely on people's memories, but Wilfred being told his real father was John was something that was very clearly recalled at the time.

The actual record of Wilfred's birth is one of the three remaining unsolved family mysteries.

Also when possible could you have a play with your surname interests and places and maybe put them across the lines without double spaces. The post get very tiresome t scroll through.

Done - I should have sorted that ages ago.

[majm]

Thomas

Did he wait until after his estranged wife died in 1929 before announcing that his own long deceased bro John Joseph was really Wilfred 's birth Dad .... So no-one around to contradict his announcement except Hannah .....

So errrrr  How do you know Hannah was ever made aware of that "Thomas has 50 yr old News to share"
HAnnah may have been suffering Age Related Changes ....
Hearing/sight/memory/ etc

JM

http://www.rootschat.com/links/0vpr/

Thursday 15 April 1886 

A death notice which is interestingly worded as it makes no mention of the father of this child.

It is interesting, but it was in the Kilmore paper, so may have been placed by Harriet's family and intended for people who ddin't know Thomas.  Also mentions Harriet's father as the "late grandfather" but makes no mention of her mother

There are news item which mention a THOMAS EVERITT and they are generally concerned with horse stealing in the Howlong area.  One item mentions his "brother LUKE"

JM note in middle of quote ..... (on e reader with tiny keyboard so not having PC screen ... agh ....)

Re Harrietts Obit
The usual way in that era was to refer to an adults father (but not mother) when describing a family relationship ie  Mr Samuel Evans rather than Mr and Mrs Sanuel Evans ....

JM

Obituary

The few old friends left will regret to hear of the death of Mrs Harriet Everitt, which occurred on 18th instant at Toora. Deceased lady was a native of Kilmore ,and daughter of an old business man, Mr Samuel Evans,. who was amongst the earliest townsmen here.
 Thursday 30 May 1929

Again, oddly no mention of Mrs Evans.

[Jennaya]

Do you know what children were mentioned on Harriet's death certificate and who was the informant?