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Re: A mother for Wilfred Charles EVERITT
« Reply #82 on: Friday 16 August 13 02:44 BST (UK) »
When did Thomas’ own marriage break down … this question has been asked previously, but although Thomas married Harriet in 1876, …

I see  a Thomas EVERETT being named as Co –respondent as early as 1877, and again in 1881.  (The second time with a second co-respondent, Augustine Blake)  Perhaps NOT the Thomas who was married to Harriet ?

http://srwww.records.nsw.gov.au/indexes/searchform.aspx?id=16
John Wilbraham EDWARDS v Louisa Calharnie EDWARDS

From NSW ER 1878, The HUME
John W EDWARDS  had freehold at Bungowannah

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http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/28383443 SMH 19 Dec 1881 (As an aside I see my Bradley rellies were the solicitors preparing the instructions for the respondent  :) perhaps they told Thomas to refrain from attending court, someone certainly seems to have advised both co-respondents to stay away)

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/102062089 Dec 20 1881 Southern Argus ... if that's the chap who informed Wilfred as to who was Wilfred's Dad, then there's likely a list of friends who may have known who was Wilfred's mum  :-X

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Re: A mother for Wilfred Charles EVERITT
« Reply #83 on: Friday 16 August 13 03:26 BST (UK) »
 Just trying to get my brain working (vain hope!) and re-reading the thread.

You may already know this, there is a John James Everitt born 1880 reg Sydney mother Mary Ann father not listed
  i believe this child died in 1880.

Death 1880, NSW, #2720
John J EVERETT
Mother's Name:   Mary A

According to the 1878 Electoral Roll (posted by JM Reply #12)
John Joseph was a freeholder of land near Howlong,so why is there no mention of him on NSW "deceased estates"?

I don't think anyone has put up the newspaper account of John's death which does not help answer (to any great extent) JM's question re the 'length of illness' as he did not seek medical help for some time after the incident.  He entered hospital on Saturday 12 March 1881 and died the next day.  As his death was not sudden it seems likely that there would have been time for him to ask for his expected child to be looked after by his brother - whether that's what happened ......... ???

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Re: A mother for Wilfred Charles EVERITT
« Reply #84 on: Friday 16 August 13 03:49 BST (UK) »
I don't think anyone has put up the newspaper account of John's death which does not help answer (to any great extent) JM's question re the 'length of illness' as he did not seek medical help for some time after the incident.  He entered hospital on Saturday 12 March 1881 and died the next day.  As his death was not sudden it seems likely that there would have been time for him to ask for his expected child to be looked after by his brother - whether that's what happened ......... ???
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/page/5062005

And if he knew there was a baby "on the way" and he was prepared ask his brother to look after that baby, then surely both he and his brother knew who was actually pregnant with the baby .... :)

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Re: A mother for Wilfred Charles EVERITT
« Reply #85 on: Friday 16 August 13 05:23 BST (UK) »
Just trying to get my brain working (vain hope!) and re-reading the thread.

You may already know this, there is a John James Everitt born 1880 reg Sydney mother Mary Ann father not listed
  i believe this child died in 1880.

Death 1880, NSW, #2720
John J EVERETT
Mother's Name:   Mary A

I can only repeat this is not the right John.  This is John James with mother Mary Ann.

The John in question is John Joseph with mother Catherine.

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Re: A mother for Wilfred Charles EVERITT
« Reply #86 on: Friday 16 August 13 05:31 BST (UK) »
perhaps they told Thomas to refrain from attending court, someone certainly seems to have advised both co-respondents to stay away)

Given Thomas' involvement with Mrs Edwards was a separate matter in 1877, and the case in question was Mrs Edwards indiscretions with two other men 1881, I'd be inclined to stay away as well whether I was advised or not.

Mrs Edwards sounds like a keeper.

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Re: A mother for Wilfred Charles EVERITT
« Reply #87 on: Friday 16 August 13 05:37 BST (UK) »
And if he knew there was a baby "on the way" and he was prepared ask his brother to look after that baby, then surely both he and his brother knew who was actually pregnant with the baby .... :)

We have no evidence (even anectodal) that John did know about the pregnancy or that it was him who asked.

I think we've already established John was a man of fairly poor character, and even if he did know, do we really think he would do the right thing?  I'm inclined to think not.

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Re: A mother for Wilfred Charles EVERITT
« Reply #88 on: Friday 16 August 13 05:44 BST (UK) »
I can only repeat this is not the right John.  This is John James with mother Mary Ann.
The John in question is John Joseph with mother Catherine.

Do you hold a copy of the 1880 NSW BDM birth registration document for John James EVERITT? (# 2745)

Do you hold a copy of the 1880 NSW BDM death registration document for John J EVERETT?  (#2720) 

Is it NOT worth considering that as you are looking for a birth registration for your Wilfred Charles EVERITT, that you ought to be checking the actual records (as opposed to the INDEX) for any births registered in that surname, especially where there is NO father noted?  It could well be that your Wilfred was born in 1880 rather than in 1881 ...... afterall you already have two possible birth dates (May and June 1881) .... and your John Joseph was summoned on Indecent Assault charges in April 1880, so the assault was prior to those charges .... so Wilfred/Charles/Robert/Bob may well have been born say May or June 1880, rather than 1881 .... perhaps John Joseph was indeed himself assaulted sometime after October 1880 (ie after being found by the court to be not guilty of indecent assault on Julia) .... 

You need to aim to get as close as possible to original documents from that period.   Official transcriptions of NSW BDM original bdm registration documents are the better option, as they are cheaper, and can be delivered by email attachment.  So you can get more primary documents for your pennies.   Then of course, you can attend NSW SRO and look up the various files they hold there, and read these for yourself, take copies etc. 

But please try to avoid relying on information you find on INDEXES ... they are simply pointing you to THE RECORDS and are not of themselves a record to use to confirm or eliminate a possible 'fact' when you are looking for clues to a family history mystery in NSW rural districts, in the 1870s and 1880s.... (or in any other era for that matter !).

Cheers,  JM 

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Re: A mother for Wilfred Charles EVERITT
« Reply #89 on: Friday 16 August 13 05:49 BST (UK) »
And if he knew there was a baby "on the way" and he was prepared ask his brother to look after that baby, then surely both he and his brother knew who was actually pregnant with the baby .... :)

We have no evidence (even anectodal) that John did know about the pregnancy or that it was him who asked.

I think we've already established John was a man of fairly poor character, and even if he did know, do we really think he would do the right thing?  I'm inclined to think not.

I think if you are prepared to speculate about John Joseph in that way, you ought to also consider similar judgement on Thomas ..... thus bringing into consideration if Thomas was being truthful when (apparently perhaps Wilfred was 50 years old) he told Wilfred that his birth father was John Joseph ....

ADDING,

Have you checked Wilfred's other fostered siblings lines for when (or IF) anyone ever told them who their birth parent/s were?   

Who told them, when were they told, did it turn out to be accurate information etc etc etc.

Cheers,  JM
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