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Re: A mother for Wilfred Charles EVERITT
« Reply #72 on: Thursday 15 August 13 10:34 BST (UK) »
perhaps candidates for Wilfred's Mum  ;D

NSW SRO Deceased Estates files
J CASEY OF Howlong, DD 21 June 1899

Certainly an interesting lead worth pursuing - I can't seem to find that record in a search on the SRA site for some reason.

From the NSW Registers of Coroners’ Inquests there was an Inquest on 14 March 1881, at Albury.   The deceased was John Joseph EVERETT, aged 37, and the Coroner found he had died of Inflamation of the membranes of the brain.  .The NSW BDM has a death registration indexed as John J EVERITT, with parents as Luke and Catherine, registered at Albury in 1881.  (#4406). 

May I ask if you have a copy of that death cert, and if so, who was the informant and what was their stated relationship to the deceased?

http://srwww.records.nsw.gov.au/indexes/searchform.aspx?id=15  This is the link for the NSW State Records Office Index for Deceased Estates.   If you use the search engine and enter the Surname as Casey and the locality as Howlong, then your puter should display the info I posted previously.    You could of course just enter Howlong in the locality, three pages of results are ready for display.

May I again please ask for you to let us know which BDM certs you are currently holding in respect of this family.   

ADDING,

Please remember that the Deceased Estates link is to the online INDEX and is NOT actually the RECORD, as the Record is the File that is held at Kingswood.  The Deceased Estate Files are usually full of absolutely fantastic family history information. 

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Re: A mother for Wilfred Charles EVERITT
« Reply #73 on: Thursday 15 August 13 11:07 BST (UK) »
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/107209242 Evening News 16 March 1881 .... interesting use of the word "old" to describe Mr John Everett.

May I ask please about Thomas .... when did his own marriage seemingly fail .... what year please ....  You see, something is simply not making good sense to me ....

 :) earlier in the thread if I recall correctly there was mention of a possible separation for Thomas. 
 :) And then via more recent posts we learn that Thomas was with Hannah when Thomas told Wilfred that John was Wilfred's father.... 
 :) And from the OP we know that Wilfred was usually known as Bob,
 :) and from various indexes we know that Wilfred married as Wilfred and not as Bob,
 :) so when did Wilfred aka Bob actually first learn that his name was not Bob (Robert etc) and was in fact Wilfred Charles?
 :) And why would that be at a different time from when  Wilfred learnt from Thomas that John Joseph Everett/Everitt was his birth Dad.... 
 :) And of course, why did Thomas chose NOT to give up the name of the birth Mum ....  :) ... That is the strangest bit ....  To me, it is far more likely that people know the name of the birth Mum, (either through watching her body develop during her pregnancy, or being aware of her absence for around 5 months or more). 
 :) So basically I am saying ..... has anyone in the family over the past 25 years actually searched through various family papers specifically looking at any clues as to if he spent any time at all anywhere outside the HOWLONG district in the twelve months except when in the Albury lockup on remand awaiting to be bailed ....

Simply put:

WHERE was John Joseph EVERETT/ITT  from when he indecently assaulted Julia CASEY until his death at age 37 ...


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Re: A mother for Wilfred Charles EVERITT
« Reply #74 on: Thursday 15 August 13 12:04 BST (UK) »

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Re: A mother for Wilfred Charles EVERITT
« Reply #75 on: Thursday 15 August 13 12:27 BST (UK) »
Wilfred was told about his name when he was younger, and his parentage when he was older.  Two separate events.

I do have to get a handle on exactly what family material my cousin has. That may not be in the immediate future for a long variety of reasons.


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Re: A mother for Wilfred Charles EVERITT
« Reply #76 on: Thursday 15 August 13 12:37 BST (UK) »
:) And of course, why did Thomas chose NOT to give up the name of the birth Mum ....  :) ... That is the strangest bit ....  To me, it is far more likely that people know the name of the birth Mum, (either through watching her body develop during her pregnancy, or being aware of her absence for around 5 months or more).  JM

I agree. She was 6 months advanced at John's death.

 A choice was made at a certain point -that is to say, the point of beginning a revelation of truth   to Wilfred.  There had been plenty of time to think about what to reveal....  many years.

I remain convinced the mother was related to the family.

 
Wilfred was told about his name when he was younger, and his parentage when he was older.  Two separate events.

I do have to get a handle on exactly what family material my cousin has. That may not be in the immediate future for a long variety of reasons.

I would think that the revelation to him in the first event would lead to him asking immediate questions regarding his actual parentage. The "holding out" was perhaps depending on the death of someone...... or similar.

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Re: A mother for Wilfred Charles EVERITT
« Reply #77 on: Thursday 15 August 13 13:50 BST (UK) »
From John EVERETTs dc HOW LONG for duration of illness...  That answer will help you to consider if Thomas was trying to make smoke screen to protect info re birth mum from Wilfred ...

Of course there is the failure of John's marriage either earlier than his assault of Julia or at least because of that to eliminate his wife from that role.

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Re: A mother for Wilfred Charles EVERITT
« Reply #78 on: Thursday 15 August 13 22:50 BST (UK) »
From John EVERETTs dc HOW LONG for duration of illness... 

Normally, yes.  In this case, given the cause of injury may have been misreported, the period stated may be inaccurate as well, but the period between injury and death was reported by witnesses at the inquest as between 7 and 5 weeks.

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Re: A mother for Wilfred Charles EVERITT
« Reply #79 on: Thursday 15 August 13 23:23 BST (UK) »
This again is a little offbeat, but!...

 Could the mother of Wilfred be one of the wives of one of the others EVERITT siblings, which resulted in the bashing of John his subsequent death and also the reason for the actual mother and her (Everitt) husband not to raise the child?   ???

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Re: A mother for Wilfred Charles EVERITT
« Reply #80 on: Friday 16 August 13 01:29 BST (UK) »
The death cert info re duration of illness  is NOT provided by family informant.  It is a separate section and is certified by a medico. 

Yes it would be certified by the Coroner BUT is can also include additional info....  My question is about that section of the dc...  In other words my question has little reason to rely on witness statements at the Inquest and more to do with medical facts.  I NOW presume you dont actually have BDM certs yourself and are relying others giving you their summaries of their own interpretation of 19thc wording of their own selected  documents. 

Neil may have hit nail on the head ! and you need to access many NSW documents to develop a clear picture. 

Cheers JM

From John EVERETTs dc HOW LONG for duration of illness... 

Normally, yes.  In this case, given the cause of injury may have been misreported, the period stated may be inaccurate as well, but the period between injury and death was reported by witnesses at the inquest as between 7 and 5 weeks.
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