A mother for Wilfred Charles EVERITT

[majm]

Do you have a copy of the NSW BDM marriage cert for Hannah and Edward?   Registered Gundagai, 1877 (NSW BDM #3053).   If so, what denomination please, and who were the witnesses, and what information is on that summary record as to the parentage for both the bride and the groom.

Cheers,  JM

[Seaton Smithy]

it seems unlikely they would reach out to a girl in trouble not related to them.

It is believed that Hannah was reluctant, even resistant.

John ... would ask his brother to raise a child from a liason while the mother moved on.

If the birth date is reasonably correct, John had died before Wilfred was born.

[Seaton Smithy]

Do you have a copy of the NSW BDM marriage cert for Hannah and Edward?   

I don't.

[sparrett]

If the birth date is reasonably correct, John had died before Wilfred was born.

Almost exactly 3 months between the burial of JOHN JOSEPH at Howlong (11/3/1881) and the suggested birth of WILFRED (14/6/1881)

Sue

[majm]

  Well spotted Sue 

Some JM thoughts:

Fostering/Adopting

Yes, unless the child had been admitted to an institution (Benelovent Society or the like) the fostering was likely to be very INFORMAL, and within the extended family, OR within a Lodge Order etc.   So, yes, the arrangements for raising children, not of a marriage, were NOT well documented. 

In some rural districts, the family denomination helps, as it can lead to Parish registers and thus to Baptisms in that era in that parish ….  You can then go through the register around that year, looking for babies being baptised, with Mum being mentioned, and without mentioning of Dad.

Again from my own tree,  and again NSW …..
Baby born 1875,  Baby’s birth registered within four weeks of birth, Dad dies 1878, Mum re-marries, Child comes to the new marriage.  Child finishes school, wants to start apprenticeship.  AT THAT TIME (1890), Step Dad goes along to Court House, and fills out fresh registration, putting HIS OWN surname for that child.  Court House provides Extract of that NEW registration.    JM comes along decades later and wants CERTIFICATE …. JM orders two certs (official transcriptions)….Ordering two different rego nos.    JM gets TWO documents …. And proudly confirms that the step dad is noted as “foster father”.   I also agree with Neil and note that it was NOT until 1920s that Adoptions were formalised in NSW.   I also note that NSW BDM regulations prior to WWI were NOT clear, were open to wide interpretations and were not kept consistent even within the same district.   I also carefully note that several of my SYDNEY SLICKER families from that era were errr….. clerks and senior officers with Reg-Gen’s dept. 

Another line of thinking:

Have you checked the following FILES held at the NSW SRO?

There can be witness statements, BDM documents, Tree Charts, Newspaper cuttings, and answers to questions (including those not yet asked) within those files, particularly in the Deceased Estates files there should also be a Will naming beneficiaries, ….

http://srwww.records.nsw.gov.au/indexsearch/keyname.aspx 

Deceased Estates    for example
Annie Marie EVERITT, Mulwala, DD 20 May 1933, (a widow),  (NSW BDM # 9776)
Edward James EVERITT, near Corowa, dd 13 June 1933 (farmer) (NSW BDM #8572)
Elizabeth EVERITT, Marago, DD 19 July 1903  (NSW BDM #9811)
Isaac EVERITT, Morago, DD 30 June 1893 (NSW BDM # 5387)
Susan S EVERITT, Deniliquin DD 22 June 1912, and Duty Paid around TEN years later in May 1922 (NSW BDM #10401)
Mary Jane EVERITT, Binya, DD 20 April 1921 (married woman) (NSW BDM #7387)
R EVERITT, Barham DD 4 May 1899    (probably Rudolphus, registered at Moulamein NSW BDM  #6390)

Deposition Registers
John EVERITT, Larceny, Trial at Albury, 7 April 1868
John EVERITT, Escape, Trial at Albury, 12 August, 1869
Thomas EVERITT, Horse, Trial at Albury, 16 June 1885

Insolvency Index
Thomas EVERITT, Daysdale, 2 March 1883 (labourer)

Have you established WHO was Catherine EVERITT …. NSW BDM have her father as JOHN, and the death registered at Albury in 1900 and NO name for her mum on the online index.

Cheers,  JM

[majm]

Do you have a copy of the NSW BDM marriage cert for Hannah and Edward?   

I don't.

So, may I please ask HOW you can positively confirm who were their parents?

May I suggest you have a read of the following thread I prepared

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,546609.0.html


Cheers,  JM

[Seaton Smithy]

Almost exactly 3 months between the burial of JOHN JOSEPH at Howlong (11/3/1881) and the suggested birth of WILFRED (14/6/1881)

Sue

Well spotted Sue 

Actually, I stated this in my first post. 

The point here was Sue had suggested John had asked Edward and Hannah to take on Wilfred, and I was highlighting he hwas already dead so unlikely to have done.

[majm]

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.2.1/MZ3S-9NC

The above link is for a SUBMITTED tree, which at present has Hannah (nee EVANS) as born 1876, and also as the Mum of an Unnamed EVERITT born 1880    Obviously a very creative mind submitted that info, and I haven't bothered to check TROVE to see if there was any mention of a FOUR year old lass giving birth .... 

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.2.1/MZ3S-M48  This is another link to a submitted tree, same submitter .... and I note that the submitter has Luke EVERITT's wife DD as 14 JUNE (1900) so perhaps that is where that conflicting dates for Wilfred's birth comes from. 

Cheers,  JM

[majm]

Actually, I stated this in my first post. 
The point here was Sue had suggested John had asked Edward and Hannah to take on Wilfred, and I was highlighting he hwas already dead so unlikely to have done.

So you have ruled out any consideration that if Wilfred was John's son, and if John was aware that Wilfred's mum was expecting, that perhaps John had asked Edward and Hannah to take on that lass' baby during the lass' second trimester?

Cheers,  JM