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Re: Gggrrrrrr!! Private Tree on Ancestry photos copied
« Reply #81 on: Sunday 02 November 14 16:59 GMT (UK) »
Unknownmale, I questioned Brotherhood as I wondered about all the Sisters helping and sharing; equality and all that.
I apologise if that has caused confusion, no disrespect meant.

Nor did I say that you had used the word 'plunder' but I perhaps mistakenly interpreted the words of Dave Dee - 'chore stuff', and your agreement with him - "I have to say I agree totally abt. private trees and their ability to glean information form our public trees, yet it is as previously stated a one way street."
Again, my apologies.



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Re: Gggrrrrrr!! Private Tree on Ancestry photos copied
« Reply #82 on: Sunday 02 November 14 17:10 GMT (UK) »
Not a problem msr. I used the word to encompass all who take part not just males, old age I fear. I can list the no. of ladies who have assisted me, there are many, so perhaps I have caused confusion. It was your 4th. Para which led me to the plunder word. I should have qualified my agreement by adding, those who seem unwilling to share. Regardless hope I did not give any offense not my intention.  Certainly did not mean to lessen the importance of the fairer gender, I may be old but know my place. (Levity) not sarcasm. Go safely.

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Re: Gggrrrrrr!! Private Tree on Ancestry photos copied
« Reply #83 on: Sunday 02 November 14 17:56 GMT (UK) »
Many private trees started off open to everyone, so if you see one where you need to make contact rather than just take something there is probably a very good reason for it. 

Sadly msr is right.  My tree started off open as I naively expected people would be respectful but unfortunately that wasn't the case. I'm happy to share, but I draw the line at people wordlessly just taking things that are either dear to me (eg photographs) or which I have spent my own money obtaining.  You wouldn't walk into someone's house and do it, so why should the internet be any different?

I put it to all of you private tree owners that you're not entering into the spirit of the genealogy community.

To my mind the spirit of the genealogy community is evident in bucket-loads here on Roots where people are unbelievably helpful and generous.  Conversely, simply walking in and taking stuff I would say is the absolute antithesis of the community.  Whether a tree is open or private I always make contact, explain my connection to the ancestor in question, and ask.  Unfortunately if going private is the only way to make others behave with the same degree of manners & courtesy, then so be it.

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« Reply #84 on: Sunday 02 November 14 18:17 GMT (UK) »
(1) Rather disparaging of Dave Dee and unknownmale to infer that only people with private trees plunder others' work.   Some, but by no means all, of the immense public trees have grown simply by hi-jacking whole families, and here I speak from personal experience, having fallen foul of hunter-gatherers.

(2) Dave Dee, wasn't the parish record you wanted available to you though your subscription?


msr, thanks for your input.

In response to your point (1), with respect, I did not imply the word "plunder", but you were the one who inferred it. My point is that there are many people in this world who are "takers" and not "givers". Whilst some people with public trees can be in this category, unfortunately, those with private trees send a clear message to me that they don't want to share anything unless asked, as though everyone else is below them - at least, that's the way I see things. I made it quite clear in my opening original statement that I don't mind sharing any information and/or photos, documents, etc., with anyone. I have been on Ancestry now for almost five years, and have put untold hours of work into my own tree, trying, as best as I can, always to make sure details and citations are accurate. If my efforts can help others, then I'm pleased, and always encourage people to take what they want from me. It's called SHARING. I've received help on countless occasions from similar kind people with public trees. No-one will ever be able to accuse me of not playing my part - and I'm not implying you, or anyone else here will do so, either now, or in the future - neither am I intending to "blow my own trumpet".

On your other point (2), no, the parish register concerned was not available to me via my subscription (which has always been fully paid up). It is one which had originally been available on the superb, free Medway Cityark Parish Registers Online website, but which the powers-that-be recently had decided had to be taken down. This was on account of the making available of scans of parish marriage registers taking place within the last 75 years, and parish baptismal registers within the last 100 years being construed as being in contravention of data protection and privacy legislation, yeah, right! - as though publishing that stuff, most of which can be obtained via GRO BMD Certificates, could "offend" or "endanger" anyone. A typical, modern-day, "politically-correct" (how I hate that term!) over-reaction. Like my compadre "unknownmale" here, I'm also an old git. :-) Does it show in us?

Nuff said, before I blow my top. Live long and prosper!

Dave Dee.


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Re: Gggrrrrrr!! Private Tree on Ancestry photos copied
« Reply #85 on: Sunday 02 November 14 18:35 GMT (UK) »
I put it to all of you private tree owners that you're not entering into the spirit of the genealogy community.

To my mind the spirit of the genealogy community is evident in bucket-loads here on Roots where people are unbelievably helpful and generous.  Conversely, simply walking in and taking stuff I would say is the absolute antithesis of the community.  Whether a tree is open or private I always make contact, explain my connection to the ancestor in question, and ask.  Unfortunately if going private is the only way to make others behave with the same degree of manners & courtesy, then so be it.

Hi Jomot, and thanks for your handsome input, seriously. It's clear that you're a responsible person, and I applaud you for that.

The subject of sharing openly is obviously one that some of us see in different lights, and I'm gradually becoming aware of this via our forum. All I want is a community of people willing to share their gleaned information, no questions asked. I respect your view not to see it in quite the same way. You mentioned earlier about not wanting people "wordlessly just taking things" that are dear to you, or that you have bought. I truly can understand that, but I'm not that way myself. If I've bought something and it can benefit others (as long as they don't steal it from my grasp, of course), well, that's fine by me. Let's just say we are different from each other, but let's also be friends in spirit.

Best wishes.

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Re: Gggrrrrrr!! Private Tree on Ancestry photos copied
« Reply #86 on: Sunday 02 November 14 18:43 GMT (UK) »
Quote from Dave Dee

"unfortunately, those with private trees send a clear message to me that they don't want to share anything unless asked, as though everyone else is below them - at least, that's the way I see things."

May I simply make my point to you that I think that's an opinion which is worthwhile your reviewing. 

I have no such clear message for you in having my tree Private, and I most certainly do not consider everyone else below me.  I respectfully suggest, therefore, that seeing it that way may not be the most constructive approach.

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« Reply #87 on: Sunday 02 November 14 18:56 GMT (UK) »
Oh dear....I think the answer is a simple one...if you don't want people to take information and photos from your tree...then don't put them out there in the first place...I thought genealogy was about sharing...I don't have my tree on ancestry but frequently offer and share what I have by contacting tree owners and have been lucky enough to have this reciprocated....If I see something of interest...I contact the owner and ask if I may use a photo or document in their tree and explain my connection...I have never been refused yet and am happy to share. Life is too short to get precious over what is after all a hobby. A polite reminder of the courtesy to people who take without asking should be sufficient.
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« Reply #88 on: Sunday 02 November 14 18:57 GMT (UK) »
Quote from Dave Dee

"unfortunately, those with private trees send a clear message to me that they don't want to share anything unless asked, as though everyone else is below them - at least, that's the way I see things."

May I simply make my point to you that I think that's an opinion which is worthwhile your reviewing. 

I have no such clear message for you in having my tree Private, and I most certainly do not consider everyone else below me.  I respectfully suggest, therefore, that seeing it that way may not be the most constructive approach.

Ah, fair comment, IgorStrav, thanks, you are an exception to my perhaps-wrong pan-sentiments about private tree owners, but, with respect, you are not in my shoes, on the receiving-end, or, rather, the "non-receiving-end".

ATB

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« Reply #89 on: Sunday 02 November 14 18:59 GMT (UK) »
Oh dear....I think the answer is a simple one...if you don't want people to take information and photos from your tree...then don't put them out there in the first place...I thought genealogy was about sharing...I don't have my tree on ancestry but frequently offer and share what I have by contacting tree owners and have been lucky enough to have this reciprocated....If I see something of interest...I contact the owner and ask if I may use a photo or document in their tree and explain my connection...I have never been refused yet and am happy to share. Life is too short to get precious over what is after all a hobby. A polite reminder of the courtesy to people who take without asking should be sufficient.
Carol

Ah, words of wisdom, Carol (Treetotal), thanks. Oil on troubled waters. :-)

ATB.

Dave.