Gggrrrrrr!! Private Tree on Ancestry photos copied

[Dave Dee]

Unless I am completely mis understanding you, I assume that  you would not share the scanned image.
Instead, you would direct others on where to find it?

In this case, Anne, I would share it, in the sense that I would let people know openly that I possess the image. They wouldn't be able to find this particular image on the Medway Cityark website, because it's now been taken down, because of the latter organisation's ridiculous and over-reactive ruling upon the interpretation of data protection and privacy legislation. I would quite probably upload the image to my tree, so that everyone could partake of it, and would certainly have no objection to doing so, especially if someone asked me where they could obtain the image. If it wasn't already uploaded to my tree, I'd probably do so immediately, for that person's benefit alone. Why not? As far as I'm concerned, anyone can have anything I have access to for my own tree. I've helped out many people in this way, as have many people helped me, in like manner.

Hope this clarifies things, but if not, do please ask some more.

[Dave Dee]

I think the way forward is for Ancestry to rethink how trees are presented and give the option of having your tree public with your documents, photos and personal data only available on request.
Everyone has the right to chose how and when to share data and who with....but at the end of the day...all things grow with love and sharing...our aim is the same...whatever our views 
Carol

A first-class posting, Carol, and yes, you've summed it up well.   

Best wishes.

Dave.

[anne_p]

Thanks Dave,
It does clarify things.
Perhaps your initial contact realised this would be the case, which is why she didn't furnish you with a copy.

AND... you are 100 % correct Carol
I am happy to share any "relevant" info, but if I open my tree to another, invariably the contact feels entitled to copy everything that's not relevant to our common link
This is what annoys me the most!

[Dave Dee]

Thanks Dave,
It does clarify things.
Perhaps your initial contact realised this would be the case, which is why she didn't furnish you with a copy

Thanks also, Anne.

Do you mean the woman would perhaps not have been happy about letting me have the image because of concerns about data protection and privacy?

[anne_p]

No Dave, not Data Protection or Privacy.
If she gave it to you and you made it public, you have both lost control of it.
It could turn up anywhere... especially where it doesn't belong.

How many times have you seen an incorrect marriage scan attached to the wrong couple?
I see it every day!

[groom]

So if I understand correctly, Dave, you would accept something from someone's private tree and then publish it on your own public tree? I know in this case you will argue that it is a public document, but would you also do the same with any other information you were given from a private tree ie photos, family stories? This is the very reason that so many of us keep our trees private. If I share photos I always ask that they are kept private and are not added to a public tree. I hope that the person I am sharing with will have the decency to respect my wishes.

To go back to the point about being ignored - has the person in question responded at all? If not, how do you know that she has seen your requests? She may not be working on her tree at the moment and so is not using Ancestry, she may be ill or have even died. A good friend of mine, the mother on law of a second cousin, has 4 private trees on Ancestry, all highly sourced. However, she sadly died two years ago. As the trees remain there for all to see, anyone asking for details will not get a reply.

[anne_p]

There in lies the rub Groom.
I also ask the same of my contacts. Not to place on a public tree.
So far, everyone has agreed

Problem... they forget to tell the next person who has access to theirs!

[Dave Dee]

No Dave, not Data Protection or Privacy.
If she gave it to you and you made it public, you have both lost control of it.
It could turn up anywhere... especially where it doesn't belong.

How many times have you seen an incorrect marriage scan attached to the wrong couple?
I see it every day!

Sorry Anne, I'm not understanding your point. Had I been able to obtain the image from the Medway Cityark website myself, I would have done so, and provided a proper citation for the document in my tree, attached to the (correct) person concerned. All I'm asking of this woman, is for a copy of the document she's probably obtained earlier from Cityark (or, if not, she could say this is not the case).

[anne_p]

Dave,
She doesn't know what ( if anything) that you intend to do with "her" scan.
That's why she refuses your request.

You have already said that you would probably put it on a public tree.
She has concerns about where it ends up... once it's on a public domain, anyone  and everyone is free to collect it for themselves

I appreciate that it's a simple scan but, the same principle applies to any document or photograph