Llety, Rhoscolyn in the 1860's

[richardemlyn]

Dragon T,

Thank you for your information re John Rowlands and Margaret Willimas, Llety Bach and their descendants, I concur with that information and the posting of Owen ap Anglesey 01/01/2015 @ 15:56 concerning their children.

Looking closer at John Rowlands, Llety bach, I have him b Trewalchmai 07/07/1793, d 09/12/1856 at Llety Bach, Rhoscolyn.  I am confident from Parish records that his parents were Edward Rowland 1771 - d 20/08/1799, Pumllog, Trewalchmai and Mary Pritchard b 3030/10/1774 Holyhead (possibly to a William Pritchard and a mother Grace)  d 12/04/1799 Pumllog, Trewalchmai.  Their children according to Parish records were John Rowlands, Llety bach, dates as above, Grace Rowland b 26/08/1795, Pumllog, Trewalchmai and William Rowlands b 30/05/1797 also Pumllog.

As both the parents, Edward Rowlands and Mary d 1799, the 3 children were left orphans. John Rowlands line has been developed extensively via Llety Bach, but I cannot find any trace of his siblings Grace nor William and would really appreciate your thoughts on both.

Thank you

Richard




 

[dragonT]

Hello Richard,
I've replied by PM

[aled23]

Hi Richard. there does'nt seem to be a Mary wife of Edward Rowlands noted  as being buried in the parish register of Trewalchmai 1799..but for the date you have ie 12th april, a Margaret Rowland is noted..

[aled23]

...also,your dob for Edward 1771 seems unlikely if you consider the fact that, if the same person, he was noted as early as 1788 in the land tax reg. for pum llog, givng his dob more likely to be in the 1760's....

Land tax Trewalchmai:

Edward Rowland - pum llog - 1788, 90, 93, 94, 95, 96, 98

Rowland Edward - pum llog - 1768, 72, 73

some years in the registers are missing unfortunately, espescially the ones before 1768 which would have been really useful as the next occupant is:

Robert Edward - pum llog - 1746, 53

[aled23]

....I have'nt been able to find a baptism for Edward, but he is likely to be the son of Rowland Edward whose dob would be c1745, possible mother Elin, noted as being the wife of RE when buried in 1776 gwalchmai..
In the burgess roll of 1782, Rlnd Edrds yeoman of tyddyn sarn engan [pum llog] is listed along with an Edward Edwards of the same..this EE could be our Edward Rowlands, giving a dob of c1761,as he would have to have been at least 21 to be 'rolled'...who knows ??
Interestingly, if we were able to connect Rlnd Edrds to Robert Edward of pum llog 1746, 53 land tax, I believe he could be of the Bodwina and Yspilltir families as in the pedigrees..plenty to search for...
hope this helps...

[carolthomasburns]

I have John Pritchard b 1804 d 1851 at Llety Mawr. Many of their children were named Jones and some Pritchard .... 4 of them died between 1845 and 1853 ... aged between 1 and 12.
What are your names for the family you had there? Was it just Rowlands?

[Owen ap Anglesey]

Hi Carol
I assume that you are connecting with my initial investigation on this topic.
If so my information on this family is as follows.

The John Prichard (1804 - 1851) and Jane Owen (1815 - 1881) had at least six daughters as follows
Elizabeth (1836 - 1878)
Margaret (1838 - 1851) Birth Cert. shows born at Carna Mill, Llanfair yn Neubwll. Father John Prichard, Mother Jane Owen
Jane (1840 - 1851) Birth Cert. shows born at Tyn y Beudy, Llanfihangel yn Nhowyn. Father John Prichard, Mother Jane Owen
Mary (1843 - 1845) Birth Cert. shows born at Four Mile Bridge, Rhoscolyn. Father John Prichard, Mother Jane Owen
Mary (1846 - 1853) Birth Cert. shows born at Llety Mawr, Rhoscolyn. Father John Prichard, Mother Jane Owen
Elinor (1850 - 1911) Birth Certificate shows born 4th July 1850 at Llety, Rhoscolyn. Father John Prichard, Mother Jane Owen.

Elinor , my Great Grandmother married in Rhoscolyn in 1868 as Elinor Jones and named her father as John Jones.
Also Elizabeth, my Great Grandmother's older sister married in Rhoscolyn  in 1860 as Elizabeth Jones and named her father as John Jones.

So I agree that four children died between 1845 and 1853 - Must be the same family - but I am unable to connect to your Rowlands family

[carolthomasburns]

Hi Owen
Its a long story ...... I am related to the Jones line from Gwalchmai...... as well as griffiths etc. I did a DNA test and found matches but we have no definite links but I have added their informstion into my database through our common ancestor and this is how I have the Jones/Pritchard information. I am trying to find links and can only do that by adding any information I get into the database. I do have Rowlands in my lines as well ... Elizabeth Rowlands b 1879 Gwalchmai was my 3rd cousin 2x removed....
Her father was Thomas Rowlands b 1857 Gwalchmai s/o Robert Rowlands 1818 Gwalchmai and Elizabeth Williams 1818.....Her mother was Ann Rowlands b 1856 Gwalchmai d/o William Rowlands b 1832 Gwalchmai and Ann Rowlands b 1833 Frondeg.
Robert 1818 was the s/o Robert Rowlands b 1796 Newborough and Elin Jones b 1795 Gwalchmai.
William 1832 was the s/o Robert Rowlands 1796 Newborough and Elin Jones as well so Robert and Ann were 1st cousins.
Elin Jones was the daughter of my 4x Great Grandfather Hugh Jones b 1770 Gwalchmai
Hope that makes sense

[Owen ap Anglesey]

Hi Carol
Unable to link into your Rowlands family.
However the 1841 Rhoscolyn census interestingly shows a John Rowlands aged 45 and his wife Margaret aged 40 living at Llety Bach with four young children - next door to an Elizabeth Prichard at Llety Mawr aged 70 (widowed). This Elizabeth Prichard in my opinion being the mother of our John Prichard who died at Llety in 1851.