Thanks Rosie and Carolanne - i should have been clearer, i was looking for information on a birth of George Turner in 1876, admission details of his mother and hopefully details confirming his father was Joseph Turner. I was told the Guardians minutes books and commitee minutes, would not help with this. I have the birth certificate, but BRICKWALL on his father Joseph, he does not appear on any census with his wife or supposed children! The only concrete evidence i have of Joseph's existence is the marriage in 1867, although Joseph is not recorded with the family on any census his wife does not list herself as a widow until the 1891 census. I think this is one brickwall i am never going to break down. Thanks anyway for your input.