1881 Census help required please

[lizdb]

And - no evidence but worth keeping up your sleeve as a possible for his parents -

Stepney St Dunstan and all Saints
Marriage 21 Feb 1791
Thomas Lulham bachelor to Elizabeth Champfield spinster, of hamlet of Poplar

Both just made mark. Witness Sarah Bradley and Robert Newell

[LizzieL]

Looks like Jane on 1851 census, but born Hertfordshire. I have found a lot of discrepancies between county of birth in 1841 and actual place. The enumerator only had to put Y or N in column for born in county of residence and mistakes were easily made. Also parish of residence prior to marriage can be a long way from birthplace

GROVES, Mary Ann   Head      Widow      65   1786   Deptford, Kent
HOPKINSON, Sarah A   Daughter   Widow      30   1821   Rotherhithe, Surrey
LULHAM, Jane      Lodger      Widow      60   1791   Hertfordshire
LULHAM, Thomas      Son      Unmarried   29   1822   Engineer   Rotherhithe, Surrey
STELLAMAN, William   Grand Son         12   1839   Scholar      Rotherhithe, Surrey

Piece:1583
Folio:326
Page: 19     
Registration District: Rotherhithe
Civil Parish: Rotherhithe
Municipal Borough: Southwark
Address: 17, Neptune Street, Rotherhithe, Southwark
County: Surrey

And probably death as no sign of her on 1861 census

Deaths Jun quarter 1860   

LULHAM  Jane

Rotherhithe  1d  330

[natterjack]

Thank you... just a shame that Thomas and Jane's marriage didn't give parents names... but nothing can be done about that.

So really all we can do is guess that the next marriage is a possibility.  I even tried looking for a baptism record for him, but with no look as of yet.

Again thank you for everything that has been done for me.  Very much appreciated.

Many kind regards,

Natterjack

[LizzieL]

LULLHAM, Thomas      75 Sawyer    not born in county   
LULLHAM, Elizabeth   75      not born in county
LULLHAM, Charles   35 Engineer      Surrey

Piece:1067
Book/Folio:6/38
Page: 26     
Registration District: Rotherhithe
Civil Parish: Rotherhithe
Municipal Borough:
Address: Oak Place, Rotherhithe
County: Surrey


This looks like this Thomas's death from FindMyPast transcription since I can't find him in 1861.

Thomas Lulham

Forenames:Thomas

Burial 4 Dec 1843

Age at Death:78  (so year of birth abt 1765)

Where From:Bermondsey

Place Buried:Rotherhithe

County:Surrey


But there's also this Thomas of similar age who didn't make it to the 1841 census but would have been around when Thomas jnr's children where baptised.

Thomas LULHAM

Date of burial: 1836

Place of burial St Alphage, London Wall

Age at death:72

Approximate year of birth: 1764

Address at death: Not recorded

  The couple on the census look like the marriage lizdb found for possible parents and the occupation is same as Thomas jnr

[natterjack]

Ok 2 people named Thomas Lulham born circa around the same time... reminds me of another family I have seen before.... Eek.  This is where I've also seen mistakes made on my behalf.... though I usually figure it all out eventually.

Wonder if Elizabeth made it onto 1851, though some how doubt it and I would presume she would have died.. but you just never know.. people do astound me at times.

Yes I see what you mean about the sawyer reference.

Thanks once again.

Kind regards,

Natterjack