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Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Bristol Records for Isaac Nation Reeves c. 1831 - 1837
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 08 August 13 17:59 BST (UK) »
An online tree of this NATION family gives Isabella's surname as DAW:

www.nationstudy.com/getperson.php?personID=I7803&tree=NationStudy
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Bristol Records for Isaac Nation Reeves c. 1831 - 1837
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 08 August 13 18:39 BST (UK) »
This site has short details of Crowcombe marriages - scroll down to 11/1/1819 for George NATION and Isabella DAW:

www.wsom.org.uk/Registers/CrowMar17511837.htm
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Bristol Records for Isaac Nation Reeves c. 1831 - 1837
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 08 August 13 18:55 BST (UK) »
Wow, this will certaily keep me busy!  Excellent!  :)

Curiously enough, I see an Anna Knight, and I believe the mothe rof his second wife is Eliza Knight, but it's hard to decipher the last name. 

Can't wait to dive in...

Dave


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Re: Bristol Records for Isaac Nation Reeves c. 1831 - 1837
« Reply #13 on: Thursday 08 August 13 22:31 BST (UK) »
The Isaac Nation info "fits".  It's highly plausible, if not probable, that it is "him".  Certainly the best lead I've had.  Thank you. :)  Now just have to find where the name change came in.  Thank you.

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Re: Bristol Records for Isaac Nation Reeves c. 1831 - 1837
« Reply #14 on: Thursday 08 August 13 22:59 BST (UK) »
You're welcome :)

Does Isaac's brother George appear in a photograph with Isaac - and if so what sort of age are they?

I'm wondering whether George Nation also emigrated.  He seems to have joined the LDS Church in Bristol in 1848, married a Mary Ann (Rashleigh, 1848 Bedminster according to the online tree, though I can't see it on FreeBMD) and been in Bristol with his wife, mother-in-law Hester Rashleigh, mother Isabella and sister Mary in Bristol in 1851.

Mary Ann "Rashley" appears in the LDS records with spouse George Nation.

Perhaps they had an LDS ceremony? I'm no expert on the subject but I don't think that would have been a lawful marriage registered in England.

I can't see George in England after 1851.

Added: but George may have died Jun qtr 1859 Clifton.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Bristol Records for Isaac Nation Reeves c. 1831 - 1837
« Reply #15 on: Thursday 08 August 13 23:23 BST (UK) »
No, the pictures are individuals and are not 100% identifiable.  They have notations on the reverse, but copies over the years have different identifications" on the reverse.  The "brothers" also look younger.  While definately worth including in my Tree, I do make a notation regarding the "multiple identifications".

As to George Nation, b. 1832, it would seem that he settled in Salt Lake City, UT and died 30 Mar 1896, as per https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/F85Z-N7F.  (Let me know if the link works.  I'm still trying to navigate around Rootschat.)  Mother Isabel, father George.  "Best part, he has the surname of Reeves!     So, presumably, this would fit with his LDS affiliation.

It will take awhile to run down these leads, but they all seem to point in the right direction.  If it's not "them", then they have a bunch of twins named Reeves! 

As far as Isaac goes, he was on his second marriage in 1875 when he married Susan E. Dowling.  It is possible 1st wife Anna Maria was one in the same with Ann, Anna of Hannah, as per your earlier lead.  Speculative, but not impossible.  He is buried in Greenwood Cemetery, Brooklyn, NY, with his first & second wives, (plot cards & cemetery records did not provide any info other than the fact that he was married previously lost his 1st wife Dec 1874.  No maiden name or next of kin listed.)  Only "found his grave last year, and it wasn't too far from where I grew up.  His daughter is in the same cemetery, all unmarked graves.  Sad, but at least they've been "found".

I also found a Tree for Isabella Daw on FamilySearch (archives.com).

I'm going to keep "running" all of them until I sort this out!

This is very much appreciated.     

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Re: Bristol Records for Isaac Nation Reeves c. 1831 - 1837
« Reply #16 on: Thursday 08 August 13 23:33 BST (UK) »
Oh - that George Reeves find in Salt Lake City is brilliant!  They've got the DOB (1832) wrong of course as he was baptised first in Sep 1820 and his LDS baptism in 1848 gives his birthdate as 2 Aug 1820.

Perhaps he (like Isaac) was prone to losing a few years as he went along :)

It does seem weird that they both adopted the name Reeves in adulthood - it's not as though they were orphaned or anything.  If there was a connection to those Reeves chain stores there would have to be a link with the Irish Reeves family which started them. Hmmm...

It does eliminate one theory I had - that Isaac had to emigrate and reinvent himself with a new name after (e.g.) a business failure or brush with the law in England.  If George also took the name Reeves that theory doesn't work.

Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Bristol Records for Isaac Nation Reeves c. 1831 - 1837
« Reply #17 on: Thursday 08 August 13 23:45 BST (UK) »
This side of the family seems to have a tradition of varying their ages, (and forenames), so now maybe I know where it came from.  LOL!  Also, the info regarding the Reeves "chain" comes c. 1930-1940's(?), in that there was some type of probate going on in England, and they were looking for relatives.  Could be a myth, but my grandmother and father always stood by the story.  Would be well after any name change, so I don't know what to make of it.

I don't know too much about LDS, but is there any tradition of changing surnames that you are aware of? Also, I never heard of an LDS connection with the family, but that doesn't mean it couldn't be.

As always, one door opens another!