Germans in Russia look up please .........

[melsimba66]

HI all ,

  I thought at first it was Gerlach, and I did see  the ships list too and I followed those leads for a while , but even though one of those Gerlach men (Jacob)  did marry a Trippel (Mary) ,it was a John Gerlock who married the other sister Teresa  in 1912 , There is still the mystery of the first wife which shows with John in the 1911 Census.
  Yes , It does seem like an entire village moved to Rosthern    ! 

 Prussia is a possibility too , but I don't know enough about  those regions , as a beginner researching  Russia it is very intimidating .

I have found a Death notice from a newspaper in Calgary where the family moved in 1929 , from an Esther Gerlock  who was my Grandfathers sister, Esther Gerlock born June 24 , 1924 , died Oct 1997 , she married an Otto Gerlach  . It was in this that I discovered the name was in fact Gerlock  .......I have sent off some $$$  for the Death notice of the Gr Grandparents John and Elizabeth  and since it is only a couple of provinces away hopefully it should not take that long with snail mail ...........

                                                                thank you     Melanie

[aghadowey]

In German the surname is unlikely to have been Gerlock but it's likely that some of the family adopted that spelling at some point.

[Suffolksurfer]

Hi Melanie,

1.  Your family is mostly probably from Karlsruhe, Stavropol, Russia.  See:  http://www.grhs.org/villages/caucasus/karlsurhe_ncaucasus.html    This is located in present day Georgia, almost directly below Moscow.  Be careful as there are several Karlsruhes including one in present day Ukraine - which is not the correct one.
There were a number of families from this area that emigrated to Rosthern.  I believe with a large enough tree that we are all related.

2.  Many of the Karlsruhe settlers were first located in a Volga Colony.  See   http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=SHOW&db=volga%5Fstier&recno=16415
and you will find a number of Gerlachs.  My great-great grandfather is on the list of Volga settlers, but sometime the family moved on to Karlsruhe, as that is where the family lived before they emigrated to Canada.

3.  Unfortunately, the 1897 Russian census was destroyed in a fire - which wiped out at least a generation of records for the people we would like to put in our trees.  For example, my great-great  grandfather, Conrad TRIOL is on the Volga database, but my great-grandmother Katherina Elizabeth was too young to be found, as was my grandmother, Maria Katherina HELMUTH aka KNIPPEL.  So you may gain info from the Volga records, but then have to jump to the Canadian census.

4.  You will find that most of the Russian Germans were married more than once.  Such was the mortality rate at that time.  I, too, suffer from the problem of blended marriages and multiple spouses.

5.  Your family is mentioned in Old and New Furrows:  the story of Rosthern, which can be read online at our roots.ca; pg 573-575 - if you have not seen that.  Reading through this confirms your connection to the Volga village of Warenburg.

6. Do not worry about the spelling of the names too much - you should be looking for Gerlach - the others are simply phonetic guesses.  The Swabisch dialect used by this people seems to have been difficult to understand.

If I can be of further help, please let me know.

Laurie

[melsimba66]

Hello Laurie

  Thank you for all the information .  I have  found a number of clues and puzzle  pieces , but I lacked the know how and German language to put any thing together properly ! I am noticing similar tenancies with this German/Russian  branch of my tree as with my Scot,/ Irish   tree , . Parents naming children after family members  ect ,.But when couples got married did you find that the husband would go to the brides village ? or was that not the case ?

                                                                                               Melanie