Help looking for Ellen and Jane Sullivan

[REEDY]

George Henry English and Jane Sullivan had a son Tom English in October 1889. The certificate makes out they are married. Tom was born in Thornaby 4 Furness Buildings.
They had another son George Henry English in June 1891 living in Thornaby 4 Turners Yard. This child died 10hours old.
Then they marry in March 1892 Jane's father is listed as Thomas Sullivan deceased, occupation soldier.
They are living in 4 Furness Bulidings Thornaby.
Witnesses are George Herbert Walker and Christina Walker.

[heywood]

Hello again,
There is a possibility here but birthplace is wrong.

1901 4439/38/21

Mary Ellen Sullivan 36 yrs birn abt 1865 York is a pauper patient in the North Riding Lunatic Asylum, York.

1891 has a M E S in the York Asylum

Heywood

[REEDY]

Thanks for that i will have a look at it. Hopefully it is her

[REEDY]

It seems once again i am left with more questions than answers. I cannot find Ellen on the 1911 census anywhere. I thought maybe she had died in York between 1901-1911 but no.
Then in my search for more children i find a death in York in 1862 for a Mary Sullivan( awaiting the death certificate to arrive)
No births in York for Mary so i will now have to look further afield.
This is becoming more complicated.

[heywood]

No I couldn't find her either - sorry. The person in the asylum is classed as a 'lunatic' so you would imagine that she either died there or was still there in 1911.

There is a death in 1910 for an Ellen Sullivan (born abt 1840) who is possibly the one that Pels found living with Mr Raftree in 1901.

I did notice that in 1881 there is an Ellen Sullivan 16 yrs born abt 1865 in India living in Thorpe Le Street, Yorkshire as a servant.
I can't see another reference to her but wondered if India/ West Indies  (Barbados) was confused re her birthplace. However, sadly nothing else to prove this.

[REEDY]

Just received a birth certificate for a Thomas Patrick Sullivan born 25th Feb 1864 in Gibraltar. Father Thomas Sullivan 2nd battalion 3rd regiment of Foot. Mother Helen.
Can i find him on any census after this NO or a death.
There are 3 more regimental births Ellen M Sullivan 1865 Barbados Daniel 1873 and John 1862 Malta.
Maybe i should send for them also.

[heywood]

Well the time fits - does it have a mother's surname on the certificate?

Perhaps he died - the only possible record I can see in the index is a Thomas Sullivan 1870-72 Malta  but that doesn't fit with the regimental record.

[REEDY]

It says mothers name Helen. I saw that death but was a bit unsure of it myself.

[katherinem]

Just received a birth certificate for a Thomas Patrick Sullivan born 25th Feb 1864 in Gibraltar. Father Thomas Sullivan 2nd battalion 3rd regiment of Foot. Mother Helen.
Can i find him on any census after this NO or a death.
There are 3 more regimental births Ellen M Sullivan 1865 Barbados Daniel 1873 and John 1862 Malta.
Maybe i should send for them also.

Hi,
There is a John Sullivan aged 9 (1862) born in Malta in the York Union Workhouse in 1871. 

Regards,
Kath

ADDED:  Also there is a Daniel Sullivan on the 1901 census, living in Thornaby, year of birth 1866 in Hydhabad, India.  On the Army birth the place was Hyderabad and the Regiment is Royal Artillery.  Could this have been your Thomas and he has transferred to a different Regiment? Will go and dig some more!