PEDEN Hugh b.1628 Scotland d. Antrim (Ballymena?)

[jason mac]

The source for the parents of Matthew Snoddy is the Scottish death registration.  Agnes Snoddy named her father's parents as Agnes Barron and William Snoddy.

[Gilby]

Jason, as Linda says, your post pushes several buttons and lights up some bulbs (if only flickering).  I’d love to figure out what the Barron/Wylie connection is to this Snoddy family.

Do you know much about Thomas Snoddy and Jane Agnew?  Where do you get her maiden name from?

Do we have a marriage record for Matthew Snoddy to Frances Lynn?  Are there not quite a few sources which list her as Frances Wylie, which would suggest the Wylie name came down her site of the family?

Hmmm, I keep forgetting about the Templepatrick NSP census of 1831.  I think it is only available on microfilm at PRONI, and I’ve never looked it up.  I have looked at the 1854 census…

[lmgnz]

Hi Gilby,
Two of the children,   Matthew Snoddy and Frances Lynn (Hugh Wiley Snoddy) and james are in the Irish  Births/baptisms (at Templepatcick) and the youngest child, Joseph Snoddy b 1 Jun 1856  is in Scotland select births bapts. All showing Matthew as father and Fanny/Fracnes Linn/Lynn as mother.

The family are in the 1871 scottish census.

marriage of Matthew Snoddy and Fanny Lynn at Templepatrick on 29 Oct 1836.Not sure of source.(Oh I was looking at Gails tree. Mine has Irish select marriages as source.)

I am not sure now why I decided to adopt Fanny into my Templepatrick Lynn family. I think it was because Gail Tiessen has her as a sister of my William. Actually I think Gail has several more siblings to William than I have. I only have one DNA match that I remember to siblings and that is from Joseph Lynn.

Cheers

[jason mac]

All of the Snoddy children baptisms are in the Templepatrick Presbyterian church registers with the exception of the two children born in Scotland.  All of the baptisms give the mothers name as Fanny/Francis Lynn, with the exception of one baptism which lists the mother as Fanny Scott rather than Lynn.  I am aware of a Frances Scott Wylie in some trees on Ancestry which would suggest Fanny Lynn is indeed from the Wylie line.  I have taken the information regarding the baptisms from the Family Search website where you can now view scans of what I think are McKinney's transcriptions of the birth and marriage registers for Templepatrick Presbyterian.  To find the images search under Catalog on the website, then under Templepatrick as a location and it will bring up the links to the images.  They can be found in two separate documents - duplicates of each other.  The same scans also include Donegore and Carnmoney records.  The marriage of Matthew Snoddy and Frances Lynn is also to be found in the same registers and again has been transcribed by McKinney and the images can be viewed online.  Your Barron's and Lynn's also appear in the registers online.

I got the Templepatrick Presbyterian census from the Emerald Ancestors website.  It lists Jane Agnew as the husband of Thomas Snoddy.  I hope to view the microfilm of the census at some point in the future.

Wylie was used as Fanny Lynn's maiden name by her son James when registering the deaths of his two siblings in Scotland.  My take is James simply used the wrong maiden name for his mother when registering the deaths.  From my own research into McMurray's who moved to Scotland I know just how badly inaccurate the death registration and even sometimes the marriage registration information can be.  One of my McMurray's stated her mother's name was Jane Peden at her marriage registration rather than Jane Snoddy. 

[Gilby]

I have photographs of most of McKinney’s transcripts at PRONI, but I didn’t realise they were online too.  Some of those scans are probably more readable than my photos.

So, Matthew Snoddy’s wife is variously described as Fanny Lynn, Fanny Wylie, and Fanny Scott.  Is it possible she was “Fanny Scott Wylie” who married someone called Lynn, before she married Matthew Snoddy?

Hugh Wylie of Ballycushan (common ancestor of me and Linda) had a daughter called “Fanny Scott Wylie” born in 1808, died in 1811.  [Linda, if we found a newspaper notice for her death, I have lost it – do you have it?]

In his will, dated 31st January 1828, Hugh Wiley mentions his daughters Ellen, Isabella, and Mary, and also Fanny Scott.  It isn’t clear if Fanny was another daughter – if she was, then she must have been born after 1811.

The 1831 census record (apparently I did look his up back in 2015) has this family in Ballycushan:  Ezekiel D. Wiley and his wife Jane Barron.  Children Elizabeth and Joseph Barron.  It also notes Ezekiel’s mother Mary and someone called Fanny, with Scott written slightly above.  If I had to guess what it says is “Fanny Scott sisters daughter” but it is really unclear.

Jason, do you know how Emerald Ancestors have interpreted the above record?

[jason mac]

Ezekiel D Wiley - Head of household, Jane Wiley (Baron) - wife, Elizabeth Wiley - daughter, Joseph Baron Wiley - son,  Mary Wiley - mother (no maiden name stated) and William Rea - servant.  All resident in Ballycushin.  No ages stated for anyone in the household and no mention of Fanny Scott.

[lmgnz]

Hi Gilby

No I do not have a death notice for Fanny Scott Wiley. I have just used 1811 for the date of death but  a couple of other trees have used your best guess dates that you got from reading Hugh Wiley's tombstone. (or rather the script overlay on your photo of the tombstone).
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"Also their daughter Fanny who departed this Life on the 21 of January 1811, Aged ? 3 Years".

So yes we were bemused by future references to Fanny Scott Wiley. In the 1831 census and the transcript of Hugh Wiley's Will.

I am fairly sure baptism records have the mother's maiden name not her previous married name. Though that  may appear on her marriage record.

I cannot see Snoddy or Lynn in the photos you took of the MiKinney Notebooks though.

[Gilby]

Ah, we must have used Fanny Scott Wiley’s baptism (Templepatrick Presbyterian – MIC1B/11/1) to deduce what it says on the headstone (where her age of death looks most like a 3 or a 5, but could feasibly be a 6).

On my tree I have her born 6th Jan 1808, so she’d have been 3 on the 21st Jan 1811 (which fits with the headstone) or 6 on 21st Jan 1814 (which probably doesn’t fit).

However, when I went to check my notes from the microfilm, I have recorded she was baptised on the 6th Jun 1808, so she would have been 2 on the 21st Jan 1811 (which doesn’t fit the headstone), or 5 on the 21st Jun 1814 (which does fit).

Bah, this is why I like to have photographs of things so I can check them 

Either way, I’m convinced Fanny Lynn was connected to the Wileys.  DNA anyone?  My Dad’s results have just been posted on Ancestry (already on FTDNA and GEDmatch).

[lmgnz]

I have a handwritten list of records from the Templepatrick Presbyterian Church, which looks to be in the handwriting of one of my father's 2nd cousins, which says that my 3x gt grandparents William Lynn and Jemima Courtney married at Templepatrick on 10th December 1835.

Address Clachanduff.

William's parents listed as William and Sarah Lynn.

I have checked the certificates issued to me by the Templepatrick Presbyterian Church in 1984 and that one does not seem to be included though I do have the baptism of their daughter Jane in 1839.

But if the marriage of Frances Lynn and Matthew Snoddy has been scanned somewhere then her parents should be shown.